Clerical Survey tips

[Daraleen Wade]

Are there any tips on how to locate someone in the
Husförhörsländ in Adolf Fredrik parish, Stockholm in 1851-1855?   The film has arrived at the FHL and is quite faint in places.  We are looking for Johan Magnus Lindgren (born 10 May 1830)who may have been living with Professor Carl Boheman (baptized 10 July 1796).

[Olle Elm]

Hi Daraleen,
Professor Carl Henrik Boheman died in 2 nov 1868, perhaps in Stockholm. Probably the only way to find him, is to look through the Husförhörsländ in Adolf Fredrik parish.  
Perhaps somebody else know about how to find his adress in Stockholm during the time of 1851-1855.
Regards from,
Olle Elm

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Olle,
We have started looking thru the film for Adolf Fredrik parish in hopes of finding them.  I was hoping someone had some ideas on how to narrow the search down.
 
Thanks for your input.
 
Daraleen

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Professor Carl M (a typo??) Boheman was living in Adolf Fredrik in 1855, according to this listing for the Mantalslängder that year. His birthdate is correct (or at least matches the baptism date which was provided.)
 
http://www.ssa.stockholm.se/forskarsalen/Aspdb/Mantalsreg/mantal55.asp
 
Adolf Fredrik 1583 Boheman Carl M Professor 17960710  
 
I think this is his family.
 
Adolf Fredrik 1583 Boheman Carl Gustaf Helmer Son 18470212  
Adolf Fredrik 1583 Boheman Amalia Hustru 18070929  
Adolf Fredrik 1583 Boheman Hildur Linnea Dotter 18290308  
Adolf Fredrik 1583 Boheman Carl M Professor 17960710  
 
It is not detailed enough to tell where he was specifically living. When I search for people in the crowded city registers, I look for something unique, such as a birth year or parish of birth (if outside the norm for that parish), etc. to speed the search, but you might not be able to avoid checking all the pages. I've done that many times in the past and probably will continue to do that in the future.
 
I didn't find any Lindgren born the date you mentioned using that site. These are the only Johan Magnus hits who were born in 1830 but none was born May 10. One was born October 5, in case the meaning of the 5 and 10 were switched, but he had the surname Sund?n. He also was not in Adolf Fredrik at the time.
 
 
Distrikt Hänvisning Efternamn Förnamn Yrke/titel Födelsedatum  
Adolf Fredrik 1446 Svensson Johan Magnus Dräng 18300121  
Johannes 195 Palmgren Johan Magnus extra Poliskonstapel 18301028  
Katarina norra 285 Lundholm Johan Magnus Skräddarges 18300828  
Maria norra 367 Broman Johan Magnus Cigarrarbetare 18301116  
Maria södra 610 Sund?n Johan Magnus Fil mag 18301005  
 
Good luck!
 
Judy

[Olle Elm]

Judy Olson Baouab,
Yes, this is the right person. Carl Henrik Boheman was according to Svenskt biografiskt handlexikon married to Amalia Åberg.
Regards,
Olle

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Hej Olle,
 
That is a very interesting and informative site. I don't suppose I have anyone listed in that book but it will be fun to check it out.
 
Mvh,
 
Judy

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Judy,
 
Thank you for looking.  You may be correct about his birthdate being corrupted.  We have nothing but family information to go by.  You said Prof Boheman was living in Stockholm in 1855.  Wasn't he there earlier than that?  1851 is the year we really need to find him on to see if John Magnus Lindgren was living with him.  All we have to go on is the parish record in Gränna which says he was a man servant for Prof Boheman in Stockholm.  The information you gave on the Bohemans may be helpful in finding them on the film.

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Daraleen,
 
I suppose he may have been in Adolf Fredrik earlier but I used online records which are only for certain years. You can find mantalslängder under the name of the län in the Family History Library Catalog. For Stockholm which is both a län and a city, you need to enter Stockholm on both lines of the Place Search for that catalog.
 
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.asp?titleno=640315
 
Since the films you want are in the vault, it would take longer to obtain them, so it is probably going to be quicker to just plow through the many crowded pages of the husförhörslängd film you already have.
 
Judy

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Judy,
 
Plowing thru the film is what we are doing.  Hopefully we will find John Magnus Lindgren living with Prof Boheman but, if we don't, at least we'll know we tried.
 
Thanks for your input!
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

John Magnus Lindgren found!   Plowing thru the film has paid off.  We found John Lindgren in the household of Professor Carl Boheman in 1851, along with Christina Andersdatter who later that year bore John's child, Anders Johan in Gränna, Jönköping.   Unfortunately, we find nothing on this record indicating where any of these people were born.  John's birthdate, 1830 10 Mai matches the information we had in family records.  The top of the page is headed Wargen.  This is about 10 pages into Number 65, 1851 Book N8 A61.   Any suggestions on what we can try next in attempting to find John's birthplace?  Would ordering the parish records for Adolf Fredrik showing the moving in and out records around this time period be the next logical step?
 
Daraleen

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Hi Daraleen,
 
Congratulations! I suppose you should look at the inflyttning records to see where your Lindgren came from, and follow him backwards to his birth. (It really is easier to accomplish this in Salt Lake City so you don't have to wait for films to come into the FHC but we do what we have to do.)
 
Judy

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Judy,
 
Yes, it would be easier to look at the inflyttning or utflyttning records in SLC - especially now that it takes about 2 weeks to get a film because they only order once a week - on Tuesday.  Now if the Stockholm records were online, like most of the rest of Sweden, it wouldn't be such a problem.
 
Thank you, so much, for your help.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

We've run into a little difficulty in ordering the inflyttning records for Adolf Fredrik parish.  We need to start with the ones covering 1851 and before but the years from 1845 to 1853 are not included in the LDS catalog.  There are Personregisters til Inflyttning covering those years but I assume those are an index since they cover a big time span.  Does anyone know if those records are missing in Stockholm, too?  
 
Daraleen

[Anna-Carin Betzén]

These are the earliest volumes of inflyttning records according to the National Archives Database:
 
1805 - 1812                  
1811 - 1822                  
1822 - 1830                  
1830 - 1837                  
1837 - 1844                  
1845 - 1852                  
1853 - 1859                  
...

[Daraleen Wade]

Thank you Anna,
 
Does anyone have access to the 1845-1852  inflyttning records and will do a lookup for me? They aren't available thru the LDS FHCs.  We are looking for the birth place of Johan Magnus Lindgren, born 10 May 1830.
 
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Report on Johan Magnus Lindgren.  The microfilm for Adolf Fredrick parish for 1830 and the Clerical Survey for 1842 - 1850 arrived at the FHC and, unfortunately, the birth record for Johan Magnus Lindgren did not appear.  In the Clerical Survey he was listed with Professor Carl Boheman in 1850 but not in 1849 - nor was his birthplace recorded in those records.
 
Professor Boheman had a son who was the same age as Johan and he is listed as being in the military in 1850-1852 but isn't in the household in 1849.  Is it possible they knew each other from being in the military together and that is how Johan ended up in the Boheman household?
 
Any other suggestions on how to find Johan's place of origin?
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Johan Magnus Lindgren found!  After much searching I've found Johan moving into Adolf Fredrik parish in 1848 (GID:2728.123.22200).  He was born 10 May 1830 in Wireda (Vireda).  With that information I've found his birth on GID: 1145.19.64400. I am having trouble reading the information and it doesn't print out well, at all.  Will someone please help me with this?  Daraleen

[Bo Johansson]

Johan Magnus from Kiryda(??) Husar-torp(?)
 
Father unknown - Mother maid Anna Maria Renström, age 23
 
Witnesses: ...
 
// Bo Johansson

[Daraleen Wade]

Thank you Bo.   After more study of the record I had decided the father was unknown and I could make out Anna and that she was 23.
 
Now, of course, I'm wondering where the name Lindgren came from.  As it should, the answer to one question produces at least one more.
 
Daraleen

[Bo Nordenfors (Nob)]

Kiryd Husartorp- also have a look at
GID 1145.9.40600, the clerical survey for Vireda AI:8 pg 104.
Witnessess: Pastor Loci Fr.G. Wennerberg  
husaren Carl Hellström  (husar= hussar) ,jungfrun (= the maid)M.M. Åman( not sure) i Prostgården(=deanery), Lovisa Christina Renström, Kiryd.
 
The deanery is in Vireda AI:8 pg 211 (GID 1145.9.51300 )

[Daraleen Wade]

Thank you!  I'm off to look at the GIDs to see what else I can learn.
 
Daraleen

[Bo Nordenfors (Nob)]

At least the year of birth of the mother = 1807.
I am not sure, but I interpret the place  of birth as Grenna but cannot find her in the book of births that parish. Hopefully Eva Dahlberg can help, she knows a lot about Jönköping county.

[Daraleen Wade]

In GID 1145.9.40600, the clerical survey for Vireda AI:8 pg 104, which you gave me above, notice the wife in that household is also a Renström.  Carl Hellström and Lovisa Christina Renström are husband and wife and are the ones appearing as witnesses at Johan Magnus christening.  Lovisa Christina's birthplace is given as Adelöv and since she appeared to be a sister of Anna Maria I looked there for the 1807 birth.  Sure enough, Anna Maja was born 08 June 1807 in Adelöv (GID 971.21.29800).   Their parents are Magnus Renström and Maja Lena Ekeberg/Ekenberg - see GID 971.4.47000 Adelöv 1806-1809 which indicates they moved from Grenna in 1801.  Magnus died there in Sept 1808.  I believe his birth is given as Dec 1766 at Järsnäs.  In looking at the births for that date & place, I find a Magnus Månson born the 2nd of Dec (GID 1100.11.94600) - could that be Magnus Renström?  If so, how did he get the Renström surname?
 
Now back to Johan Magnus Lindgren: The first place I find him with the Lindgren name is in a Hfl 1845-1852 in Vireda (GID 1145.12.29500).  It is used again when he leaves Vireda in 1848 for Stockholm (GID 1145.14.69200).   If his father was unknown how did he get the Lindgren surname?

[Bo Nordenfors (Nob)]

Searched the birth index for Adelöv at http://jbgf.se/bocker/adelov/index.htm
 
Anna Maja born the date you told us, her father is a master blacksmith and her mother is Maja Lena Ekenberg, family then residing Norstorp Mellangård.
 
If you search index for 1801 you find Kristina Lovisa, sister of Anna Maja, born 1/1 1801 in Norstorp, mother's name written Magdalena Ekeberg.
 
On 1/5 1804 a brother is born in Adelöv, Sven Henrik, still at Norstorp.
 
There is also a death index for Adelöv, Magnus Renström died on 28/9 1808 in Norstorp.  
 
 
I went to the index of births Gränna( http://jbgf.se/bocker/granna/index.htm)  and found Maja Lena born 25 Dec. 1771 to Johan Ekeberg,   , and  Kristina Öman, both of Gränna town.
 
Also found the year of marriage between Maja Lena and Magnus Renström in GID 971.4.47000 , it was in 1796.
Exact date was found in the index for marriages, Gränna, http://jbgf.se/bocker/granna/index.htm
Magnus Rehnström, blacksmith, and Maja Lena Ekberg (!!) in Gränna, marriage on 20 Nov.1796.
 
suggest you try with clerical surveys for Gränna.

[Daraleen Wade]

Thank you Bo!  Some of the info you gave I had found and I will continue to follow your suggestions as I pursue this family further.
 
Daraleen

[Olle Elm]

Congratulations Daraleen having found the birth of Johan Magnus Lindgren!  
I will come back below Vireda with some information.
Regards,
Olle