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Författare Ämne: Adolph Procopé's (cirka 1717-1798) parents?  (läst 901 gånger)

2018-03-22, 12:06
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Hi everyone!

I'm trying to find my ancestor's, Adolph Procopé's parents but unfortunately haven't succeed to find any clue about his birth.

He came to Finland (Ristiina to be more precise) from Sweden during years 1757-1758 and he had already four children with Catharina Elisabet Rehnstrahl who was born 9.9.1720 in Ålspånga, Bettna, Sweden. Children' names were Andreas, Maria Elisabet, Carl Gustaf and Gotthard Adolf. Maroa Elisabeth och Carl Gustaf were born in Stavhälla, Västra Vingåker.

Adolph Procopé worked as a sergeant in Finland and there is a mentioning in the Finnish military archives that he came from Sweden and was born in 1717.
He also left back to Sweden in 1793.
His last child Gabriel Erik Procopé was born in May 1757 already in Finland.

I would appreciate very much if some of you could help me to figure out who were Adolph Procopé's parents! :)


Some information about him I have found:

Efterträddes 22/8 1755 vid Östra Rekarne kompani, Södermanlands regemente, av sin svåger Jöns Fredrik Silfwerbrand. "Rulla över Befälskårerna vid Sveriges Armé och Flotta 1755"/Ulla Johanson 1976. Bosatt på Stavhälla i Västra Vingåker.

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2018-03-23, 18:11
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Hi Elias

I´ve checked the military rolls for Södermanlands Regiment and it seems Adolph Procopé was born in Finand!

The first clip below is from the general muster rolls of 1750, Södermanlands Regemente and the major's company, image A0028114_00113 at SVAR. The previous sergeant was promoted to lieutenant 11 July 1749 and instead Adolph Procopé was promoted to sergeant after having been second corporal of Oppunda company.

The second clip is from the same muster rolls, but  the position as second corporal of Oppunda company, image A0028114_00158 at SVAR. The previous coproral had died in 1745 and "on 11 september of the same year was promoted the volonteur #435 who on March 17 1746, by an order of the Colonel, was given the rank of seargent with a corporal's pay Adolph Procopae, who on the 19 August 1749 Was transported to Sergeant of the Major's Company ...."

The third clip is from the general muster roll of 1744, Oppunda Company and soldier #435, image A0028113_00141 at SVAR. The previous soldier Jacob Kullman had died in september 1742 and instead, March 30 1743, the volonteur Adolph Procopeus had been admitted. At the time of the general muster in 1744 he was 21 yeas old, had served 1 year, born in Finland and currently on leave on leave in Stockholm.

As his name is written Procopeus in the earliest roll he might be a descendant of the vicar Henrik Procopaeus  in Uskela?  Procopaeus seems to have been a wide spread family of priests and officers, and you could find more information in Finnish records.


2018-03-24, 09:11
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Elias if possible, do you have information and digital references to follow Adolf year by year as you have achieved, for example, when and where was the marriage, where and when were all the children born, have you found them in any cenus, where did he died? (in short, everything you got on him) then it's more easy to help you.

According to the military records, he was born 1720 30/5 and "volontär" at Södermanlands regemente 1742 4/1, he moved to Savolax och Nyslott läns regemente 1756 19/2 and got "avsked" there 1760 14/1.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0043350_00655
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0029081_00017

2018-03-24, 23:16
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Thank's Lina and Niklas for your answers!

I don't know much about Adolph, but here is a little list about the phases of his life I know:

- He was born 1717 according to finnish military rolls (but you cannot count on them always), so I think this 30.5.1720 could be actually correct because there is an exact date of birth. It's also important to know that he was born in Finland. I thought he was born in Sweden since there have been many Procopé family members living and working also in Sweden already from the 17th century onwards...

-His first son Andreas was born in 1745 somewhere in Södermanland.

-His daughter Maria Elisabet was born 16. May 1750 in Stavhälla, Västra Vingåker, Södermanland.

-His son Carl Gustaf was born 20. Juny 1754 also in Stavhälla, Västra Vingåker.

-His son Gotthard Adolf was born 4. Decembre 1756 in Lerbo, Sweden.

-His last child Gabriel Erik Procopé was born in Ristiina Finland, 11. May 1758.

-There is a mentioning that he moved back to Sweden from Ristiina 15th of May in 1793.

-I have also found a mentioning that he died in 1796, but I cannot remember where I found this "fact". Was he buried in Finland or Sweden, that I don't have any idea about.

-His wife and mother of those children above was Catharina Elisabet Rehnstrahl, born in Sweden Bettna in 1720. I don't have any idea when and where they got married but that must have happened in Sweden.

(By the way, I also discovered sergeant Adolph Procopé and some Catharina Norström got a baby in Stockholm ((Klara Församling)) 25. March in 1744. It's a boy named Carl Eric Andersson Norström. Probably a child outside marriage? Who knows.. And that boy is named after "Anders", so is it possible his name was actually Anders, not Adolph?

I don't know if this helps at all as there's not much information. Procopé family comes originally from Finland and it used to be very wide spread already in those days.


2018-03-24, 23:37
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There were no child Carl Eric born in Klara församling march 1744.
What is your source ?
Brattis (före 2004 Linewizard) = Sven-Ove Brattström

2018-03-25, 09:42
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2018-03-25, 10:18
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I think we are closing in, in Sweden and Skog socken (X) the lieutenant of Åbo läns kavalleriregemente Carl Christiansson and his wife Greta Procopea(!) child Adolph was born 1720 1/6.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0032089_00153

He can be found in Karl XII:s officerare by Adam Lewenhaupt, page 116.

http://www.cognatus.se/uploads/images/Gallery/Skannade-boecker/KXII/Bild119.jpg

He is obviously the same one as in the Åbo university roll:

"1694/95 Karl Procopaeus (myös Christiansson) Carolus Christiani, Satacundensis 4078. Kastettu Loimaalla 23.1.1687. Vht: Loimaan kirkkoherra Kristian Procopaeus 1787 (yo 1665, † 1693) ja Elisabet Thomaeus. Ylioppilas Turussa veljiensä seurassa noin 8-vuotiaana 1694/95 [Prochopæus] Carol [Christjerni Tavast _ 208]. Nimi on kopioitu Albumista noin v. 1696 Satakuntalaisen osakunnan matrikkeliin [1694/95] Carolus Procopoeus | Hospitiorum magister. | Ante obitum Magister Equitum. Obiit Anno 1724. — Korpraali Turun ja Porin läänin ratsuväkirykmentissä 1705, majoitusmestari 1706, armeijanluutnantti 1718, luutnantti 1719, ero ratsumestarina 1721. Omisti Kokemäen Vitikkalan vuodesta 1723. † Loimaalla(?) 6.1724.

Pso: 1711 Margareta Tacku († 1762).
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https://ylioppilasmatrikkeli.helsinki.fi/henkilo.php?id=4078

2018-03-25, 16:47
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Elias,
I managed to find the birth in 1744.

It is recorded in: Klara (AB, A) CIa:1 (1744-1754) Bild 299 / sid 575 (AID: v87350.b299.s575, NAD: SE/SSA/0010)

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2018-03-25, 21:51
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Fantastic discoveries, thank you very much!
This Adolf must be the same, thank's Niklas, wonderful job!

I will probably post here another "family mystery", if some of you would be able to help me! :)


2018-03-26, 12:31
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The last questions about this subject:

Do you find the date and place of Adolph's and Catharina's marriage?
I think it could have happened about in 1744-1745 according to the first common child's date of birth.

Can you find any mentions of Adolf dying in Sweden during the last decade of 18th century? According to Finnish military rolls he moved back to  15th of May 1793. There is no mention about the precise place.

To go a bit further in this "research" I would like to know your opinion about what was Adolph's father's, Karl Christiansson Procopé's reason to spend probably years in Sweden if he served as lieutenant in "Åbo läns Kavallier regemente".
His second child Erik Johan Carlsson Procopé is mentioned to be born in 27.5.1716 in Piteå Sweden, so I think that Karl Procopé must have moved quite a lot. What happened in Sweden those days or was it normal to move that much?

Thank's!

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2018-03-26, 19:44
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I would say that it's a likely scenario that Carl was father of Adolph that later joined Södermnlands regemente, because of the unusual combination of first and last name and the birth date is close to date in the military roll, however to confirm it, more evidence is required.

Right now you really got two points in time that you need something to connect them together. It's more easy to connect points in time later on when he is married and have a military career, then the rolls, the wife and the children works as a "marking" that it's the same person.

Thousands of finnish refugees moved to Sweden during the years 1713-1721 after the Russians occupation of Finland as a fact of the Great Northern War. You can read about it in På flykt i eget land, by Johanna Aminoff-Winberg, it's in Swedish but it's free on the internet.

Adolph was married to Catharina Elisabeth 1746 4/4 in Lerbo socken (D).
Children:

  • Christina Margareta, born 1747 4/1 Fyrö, Sköldinge socken (D), † there 1748 12/9.
  • Maria Elisabeth, born 1750 16/5 Stavhälla, Vingåker socken (D).
  • Carl Gustaf, born 1754 20/6 Stavhälla, Vingåker socken (D).
  • Gotthard Adolf, born 1756 4/12 Spånga, Lerbo socken (D), † there 1757 25/2.

Catharina Elisabeth had with "rättaren" Sven Pärssson Sundberg (provied that he promised to marry her), a son Anders, born 1744 29/10 in Fyrö, Sköldinge socken (D).

Do you mean Census by military records? Because according to the census he moved to Sweden 1793 15/5. http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=38159587

2018-03-30, 15:48
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My last post on this subject. Carl Christiansson Procopaeus children are inadequately investigated. Maybe also a Otto Christian was a son [http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5288322]. But there is hope, "ryttmästerskan" Margareta Tacku died 1762 at home of Gabriel Procopaeus born 1714 31/3 [http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5370555], there can be a estate inventory after her in Vehmaan ja Ala-Satakunnan tuomiokunnan perukirjat . According to Gustaf Elgenstierna and Den introducerade svenska adelns ättartavlor. and Rosenbröijer nr 404 was Carl Gustaf Procopæus, born 1712 13/2 in Loimijoki socken a son, he died 1785 22/10 in Asikkala socken, it seems like he had no children, maybe there is a estate inventory after him in Hollolan kihlakunnan tuomiokunta (Hämeen lääni).

Even before the marriage with Rehnstrahl there was a connection with Holmstedt (bokhållare Holmstedt at baptism notice with Norström), maybe this was or a person connected to "bokhållare" Thomas Holmstedt that lived in Stockholm that was married with Maria de Besche before 1688. In Loimijoki socken there was military officer Thomas Holmstedt born about 1698 who had a Maria De Besche at his home.

According to the roll of support after retirement AP died 1796. [https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0066236_00197].  I would look where his children lived at this time.

I can really recommend the Finnish forum suku.genealogia.fi, maybe they can help you some more.

2018-04-03, 22:40
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Thank you, Niklas! You have been such a great help on this!
My biggest problem was to find Adoph's parents and I think you did it. It was difficult to search his birth since I had no certain date of birth or even a birth year for him. I was pretty sure he was born in Sweden (no signs in Finnish archives during his childhood) and I knew that many members of Procopé family had lived in Sweden. It's always good if someone knows where to search.

Many thank's! :)

2018-05-04, 18:58
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Sorry, i have to correct myself, the reason why Carl C. moved so much during those years was because the movement of his service, Åbo läns kavalleriregemente.

By coincidence i found some letters by AP about his retirement payment, in one of those he wrote that he was born 1720 30/5 in Hälsingeland and [hard to read in digital version] socken.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0065590_00113 ff

   

2018-05-04, 22:57
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This was indeed valuable information Niklas, as you wrote earlier in this thread 2018-03-25.
Adolph was born in Skog (X) parish by parents Carl Christiansson and Greta Procopeas on that date.
Skog (X) C:1 (1693-1737) Bild 146 / sid 140 (AID: v136681.b146.s140, NAD: SE/HLA/1010178)
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2018-05-04, 23:28
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It seems like the familyname was from the mother,  not from the father - which was not uncommon ?

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2018-05-05, 09:38
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The name was from the father side, Carl Christiansson (Procopæus), Stockholms stads herdaminne, G. Hellström, s. 95-96;  Karl XII:s officerare, A. Lewenhaupt, s. 116.

2018-05-09, 15:58
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Those letters written by A. Procopé are indeed very interesting and important for my investigations, thank's a lot!

Yes, the family name comes from Adolph's father's side.

 

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