Kindbom

[Stefan Simander]

I släktforskningsprogrammet Vem tror du att du är? om Ernst Billgrens anor tar Ted Rosvall upp släkten Kindbom ifrån Oppeby församling i Östergötland. Vilka källor har använts för de äldsta leden i den forskningen tillbaka till Knut??? som levde på Johan III:s tid?
 
Peter Nilsson Kindbom, född 1760-04-27 i Oppeby är den äldsta som jag har fått av en väns antavla. Hur ser det ut bakåt?
 
Tacksam för uppgifter.

[Elisabeth Thorsell]

Bra fråga, Stefan, för det undrade jag också mycket över, när Ted tog fram den antavlan. Det verkade inte finnas några som helst källor eller så?  
 
Peter Nilsson Kindboms far borde ju heta Nils, men hur många bönder gjorde inte det?

[Stefan Simander]

Nu har jag talat med Ted och bett om ett svar här eller i Oppebydiskussionen.  
 
Så mycket är klart att det rör sig om indicier i något led!  
 
Fadern lär vara en Nils Olofsson. Det lär även ha funnits två bröder Nils och Olof Kindbom i Oppeby vid slutet av 1600-talet eller i början av 1700-talet, som eventuellt går att koppla samman den senare Kindbom.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av simson 2010-12-07 16:18)

[Ted Rosvall]

Ernst Billgrens anor redovisade jag just tillbaka till denne Peter Nilsson Kindbom f. 1760.
Men dessutom lade jag till en liten hypotes om att Peter mycket väl kunde vara son till en Nils Olofsson *ca 1725, som i sin tur var son till en Olof Nilsson *ca 1700 - som möjligen kunde vara son till en Nils Kindbom *1677 i Oppeby. Peter Nilsson skulle i så fall ha upptagit sin farfars fars efternamn, vilket inte är osannolikt. Jag var noga med att understryka att detta var en möjlig släktledning, men att man behövde forska mer för att få fram belägg för att filiationerna stämmer. Tyvärr klipptes det rejält i inslaget, varför det kanske inte framgick att det var just en hypotes. Ifrån Nils Kindbom gick det sedan att komma vidare till Olof Jonsson *ca 1650 i Oppeby, till hans far Jonas Knutsson i Oppeby 1610-1685 och fram till dennes far, Knut *ca 1580.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av ted 2010-12-07 22:29)

[Arno Aalto]

My ancestor Anders Jöran Persson Kindbom, born about 1690, was one of the Swedish soldiers that were transported to Finland, Björneborgs läns infanteriregemente PJR in 1721. He was housed in Punkalaidun socken Talala by Rasi house.
 
General Mönster rulla 1728 PJR Övl rot 46: 1721, 13 September hit transporterad ifrån Wästgiötte 3mäning regemente och 9 October sama åhr avancerad till Corporal med detta rot.
 
Corpral Kindbom married a daughter of the Rasi house 28.12.1722, till morgongåfwa 50 (units?) Silfer, 10 (other units?) Koppar (Pungalaitio försambling, Wigsell Book 1690-1776). The corpral wasn't a poor man.
 
He was named randomly Anders Kindbom and Jöran Kindbom in various military and church documents. This confused me many times, and has confused also others. For example in Transport av manskap från svenska regementen till Finland 1721, Anders Pärsson Kindbohm in [K] and Giöran Kinbom in [Möjliga lista 1] are presented as separete identities, but are very probably the same person.
 
Corpral Kindbom had the skills of a skräddare according to the military documents. His son Jacob was a skräddare. So it is possible, that also his father was a skräddare.  
 
His place of birth has been said to be Stockholms län, but I have not found the original source.
 
Does anybody have knowledge of this soldier Anders or Jöran Kindbom in Västgötaland? Or of his father, possibly skräddare Per Kindbom? The name Kindbom can, of course, be taken by Anders Persson when he enlisted, but it could be the name used by his father.  
 
Arno Aalto
Helsingfors

[Karin Uhrvik]

Is Anders and Göran Kindbom the same person?
 
In Generalmönsterrulla 1721 for Västgöta tre- och femmänningsregemente kavalleri, Ryttmästare Schultz kompani, No. 5:
Giöran Kinbom, born in Södermanland, Södertälje, is 27 years old, can read, unmarried, no craftsman, has served for 9 years.  
[SE/KrA/0023/0/1625 (1721)] SVAR No. 117
 
In Generalmönsterrulla 1720 for Västgöta tre- och femmänningsregemente kavalleri, Ryttmästare Schultz kompani, No. 5:
Giöran Kinbom, born in Östergötland, is 26 years old, can read, unmarried, has served for 8 years. He is said to be transported from Upplands 3-männings kavalleriregemente.  
[SE/KrA/0023/0/1624 (1720)] SVAR No. 148
 
In Generalmönsterrulla 1717 for Upplands tremänningsregemente kavalleri, Överstelöjtnantens kompani, No. 30/86:
Jöran Kindbom, born in Kinn härad, Svinsta socken, is 20 years old, can write a little, has served from June 1715
[SE/KrA/0023/0/1611 (1714-1719)] SVAR No. 193
 
In Generalmönsterrulla 1714 (must be wrong, later than 1716) for Upplands tremänningsregemente kavalleri, Överstelöjtnantens kompani, No. 25:
Jöran Kindbom, born in Södertälje, is 21? years old, can read and write, has served from 1715
[SE/KrA/0023/0/1611 (1714-1719)] SVAR No. 39
 
Is these soldiers with the name Jöran the same person? Or are there more soldiers with the same name? I have just looked at this, starting with [Möjlig lista 1]
 
Jöran Kindbom seems not to have been a tailor when entering the army. If the soldier ia a craftsman it usually is mentioned in the Generalmönsterrulla.
 
Best Regards,
Karin

[Arno Aalto]

Karin, many thanks for your answer!
 
So, is Anders and Göran Kindbom the same person?
 
Anders Kindbohm's age, servicetime and transportation in Generalmönsterrulla 1728 (below) match with the data you provided from 1721 and 1720 about Jöran Kindbohm. Södermanland, Södertälje was part of Stockholms län from 1714 (is this correct?), so also the place of birth matches in some cases.
 
There is only Anders Kindbohm in the Generalmönsterrulla 1728. The names Anders and Jöran both appear in the church books. Carin Jacobsdotter was married with Jöran Kindbohm 1722, later she is the wife of Anders Kindbohm. Walborg was born in 1728 as Jöran Kindbohm's daughter, but later in the Kommunionbok she is the daughter of Anders Kindbohm. Did Jöran die and Anders take his name and civil and military duties? The timeline below does not match with this theory. So, I think Anders and Jöran Kindbohm are the same person. And probably the same Jöran Kindbohm from the Västgöta tre- och femmänningsregemente kavalleri.  
 
1722 Corporal Jöran Kindbohm, , Punkalaidun - Inflyttade
   http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/39271n?se+0418+smuutt+0
1722 Corporal Jöran Kindbohm, Talala, Punkalaidun - Vigda
   http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9188235
1724 Corporal Anders Kindbohm, Talala, Punkalaidun - Döpta
   http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/39271n?se+0418+kastetut+798
1728 Corporal Jöran Kindbohm, Talala, Punkalaidun - Döpta
   http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/39271n?se+0418+kastetut+798
1728 Corporal Anders Kindbohm, Talala, Generalmönsterrulla
   http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/sivut/jasenille/paikat.php?bid=9391&pnum=212
   (available online for members of SSHY only, text below)
1734 Corporal And. Jör. Kindbohm, Talala, Punkalaidun - Döpta
   http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/39271n?se+0418+kastetut+1110
1738 Corporal Anders Kindbohm, Talala, Punkalaidun - Kommunionbok
   http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=6931139
 
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Generalmönsterrulla 1728 for Björneborgs läns infanteriregemente
 
Lähn: Björneborgs
Härad: Nedredel
Sockn: Hwittis (At that time Punkalaidun was part of Huittis)
? och Böndernas Nambn: Talala, Hind: Jalli, ? Rasi?
Corporal Anders Pährsson Kinbohm
1721, D 31 September hit transporterad ifrån Wästgiötte 3mäning regemente och 9 October samma åhr avancerad till Corporal med detta Rot.
35 years old
served 17 years
born in Stockholm
skräddare
rytt?

[Karin Uhrvik]

Still very confusing
 
In 1733 Anders Pehrsson Kinbom is corporal in Björneborgs regemente, Överstelöjtnantens kompani, No. 46/302, Talala rote. He is 40 years old, has served 22 years, is born in Stockholm, married. I can´t read if he is skräddare or not.
[SE/KrA/0023/0/998 (1733)] SVAR No. 148
 
In 1737 Anders Pehrsson Kindbom is third corporal, 44 years old, has served 26 years, born in Stockholm. He is said to be old, wounded in his right arm and the head, by misadventure cut himself in the foot, which prevent him from marching. He is recommended to allowance. Roten (from Talala) is not present and got respite for half a year to get a capable man.
[SE/KrA/0023/0/999 (1737] SVAR No. 123
 
In Krigmanshuskontoret you can see that he was helped in 1738
Krigskollegium Krigsmanshuskontoret D:2 1720-1739 Arkiv Digital No. 151
 
Anders Kindbohm is said to have moved 1744-03-29 to Achais with his wife Charin and daugter Stina
http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/39gdmw
 
And then Jöran
 
In Urjala kommunionbok 1738-1749, (from 1746 or 1747), Granni: Farmer Hendich Thomsson, wife Christina Jöransdotter, old corporal Jöran Kindbohm, wife Carin Jacobsdotter, son Jacob Jöransson 15 years old
 
In Urjala Väestöluettelo 1750-1765, Granni: old corporal Jöran Kindbohm born in 1688, dead in 1755, wife Carin Jacobsdotter born in 1690, moved to Pungalaito with certificate 1756-04-09, son Jacob Jöransson moved to Pungalaito without certificate in 1751
 
Corporal Kindbom is buried 1755-03-23 in Urjala, 67 years old  
When did they move to Urjala?
 
Are there other sources: census, inventories, accounts for the churches
Are there other regiments?
Are the names in the christening-book correct transcribed in Hiski?
Many questions

[Arno Aalto]

In the Urjala Väestöluettelo 1750-1765, page 143, Valajärvi, Granni you find this family above Corporal Kindbohm:
 
Bonden Hendrick Thom:s 25.6.1720 Huittis Mulcola tårp
Ho Christin Jöransdr 24.7.1724 Pungalaitio Talala tårp
Carin Hendricksr 14.1.1743 Pungalaitio Talala Juvela?  
Mats Hendrickss 20.2.1745 Ackas Jerwihavisto
 
When the Corporals daughter Christina was pregnant in 1742, she was married with dräng Henric Thomasson 14.11.1742 in Huittis, not her own parrish Pungalaitio. Their first child Carin was born 14.1.1743 in Pungalaitio, Talala, but Henric was still working in Huittis, Prästegård, Kulmala. The Corporal, his wife and their daughter Christina did move to Akaa in 1744, perhaps Henric Thomasson also (christening lists 1745 missing, kommunionbok no trace of the family). But the birthplaces of the first two grandchildren above (14.1.1743 Pungalaitio Talala and 20.2.1745 Akaa Järvihaavisto) link Corporal Anders Kindbohm, who moved to Akaa with his daughter Stina, with Corporal Jöran Kindbohm, who lives with  Christinas family in Granni.  
Later Christinas family lived again in Talala Rasi and then in Oriniemi Simula (Pungalaitio kommunionbok 1752-1764 pages 94 and 132).
The Corporals widow lived first in Pungalaitio Talala Rasi (U. Enk? mor? Caisa 1694). Then she moved to Nystad, where his youngest son Abraham Kindbom was first borgare Eskolins dräng, than married Eskolins widow and thus became borgare Abraham Askolin. Bondeänkan ifrån Pungalaitio Catharina Kindbom died 20.3.1767 in Nystad.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av Arno_aalto 2011-11-14 19:49)