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Författare Ämne: Helping finding relatives  (läst 1639 gånger)

2007-03-09, 20:00
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Kim Broekhuizen

I am hoping someone can help me find more information on my relatives. Anna Christina Alfredsdotter was born May 9, 1861 in Sweden. She married Manne Julis Anderson. I don't know when they were married. I also am trying to learn more about his death - its a mystery to the family as to how he died. I believe it was between 1890-1903. I'd love to learn more about them but need some help to get started...
 
Someone on another list sent me the following - I am hoping someone on this list can continue to help me. I am new at searching records outside the US and could use the help from experts like you.  
 
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I have found Anna Kristina Alfredsdotter in Masthugg parish in the City of Göteborg in the HFL for 1883-1886. She had moved into this parish from another Göteborg parish: Carl Johan but now she was leaving for another part of Göteborg called Domkyrko, which is also known as Gustavi. She was unmarried with an illegitimate son: John Albert. There is a note about her being absolved,
probably for the sin of bearing an illegitimate child.
 
898.17.7000
 
I had first found her on the moving out (utflyttning) records for Masthugg parish, which is how I was able to find them quickly in the HFL. (There are thousands of pages to check otherwise.) This is the Genline page number of that moving out record.
 
898.31.21600
 
There are separate birth records, of course, and there are also marriage and death records, but they take time to check out. The HFL is usually the fastest way to find those dates, but in a big city, everything takes lots of time to check.
 
They can be seen entering Domkyrko parish on this
page.  
 
632.214.63900
 
I can't understand the way their new address is
listed, and I can't read it very well either. It might be 7/423 or 7/4 213 or something like that. It is supposed to be the page in the HFL but there are 18 of those to check, each with hundreds of pages and some pages appear to be missing.

2007-03-09, 23:05
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Kim
 
I can see that Anna Christina leaves Sweden with her three children in 1903. Source: CD Emibas
 
I can also see on the CD Sv Befolkning 1890 (Swedish Census 1890) that she is a widow already 1890. She and her three children, the youngest born February 1889 lives in Gothenburg (Göteborgs Domkyrkoförsamling) in 1890.
 
Perhaps someone with more knowledge about Göteborg can help you find the man's death

2007-03-10, 04:34
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Much more information about this family can be seen in this thread on the Sweden Rootsweb board, but I don't understand enough about locations within various parishes in Göteborg to locate this family in the HFL. Could someone please help Kim?
 
http://tinyurl.com/2ls3oa
 
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2007-03-10, 17:06
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Kim Broekhuizen

Could you remind me what the HFL is?

2007-03-10, 18:13
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HFL = Husförhörslängd = Household Examination.

2007-03-10, 21:35
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Read about the Swedish parish records on the SweGGate site. Follow this pathway.
 
Themes --> Church Records
 
 
http://www.rootsweb.com/~swewgw/
 
Other names for the HFL are husförhörslängd, household examination record and clerical survey record. The HFL is a parish record similar in format to a census but it is updated continually and not just every ten years. Those census records I provided from Sweden were extractions from the HFL. The HFL is much more detailed, however.
 
Also read the articles on the Swedish Roots site.
 
http://www.genealogi.se/roots/
 
These are excellent guidebooks to Swedish genealogy. Your Swedish Roots is easier for beginners and Cradled in Sweden is more detailed. I own both of these books.
 
http://tinyurl.com/57exb
 
 
http://tinyurl.com/l9p2c
 
This url provides a link to a free booklet which can be either downloaded or ordered.
 
http://tinyurl.com/3p8gd
 
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2007-03-10, 21:54
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Hi Kim
Her adress should be read 7th block, house 2,3 and you will find her in Genline 632.26.41000 down on line 41. And there you can read that she moves to block (kvarter) 13.
In the census 1890 she lives in Rote 15 house 24 C a.
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2007-03-10, 22:56
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Thanks, Jörgen! Does the R stand for rote? Would there be a Q (or a K) for kvarter/qvarter (block)?  
 
Kim, the record which Jörgen found at GID # 632.26.41000 shows the still unmarried Anna Christina Alfredsdotter with her illegitimate son John Alfred. They are living in Göteborgs Gustavi parish (domkyrkoförsamling)and the record is the HFL for 1883-1890.
 
GID # 632.26.45400
 
Starting at line 42:
 
Piga (maid)Alfredsdotter, Anna Christina (birthdate, birthplace, etc.); comment that she was gift (married) 11/9/86 (11 September 1886, of course)
 
her illegitimate son John Albert (etc.)
 
Margot Augusta Sofia (etc.)
 
They went then (according to this record) to 15 R 24 D. (I am guessing, perhaps incorrectly, that they moved to rote 15, house 24 D. I am not sure of this but at least I have a plan.) Maybe this is close to where they lived in the 1890 census. (Rote 15, house 24 C a.)
 
This worked out, thanks to the help from Jörgen!
 
I found the family (including Manne Julius) together at that address (Rote 15, house 24 D). They are at this GID number.
 
632.25.33400
 
Andersson, Manne Julius, handl. (his occupation), born 20 November 1864 in Thorsby, Gb. l (= Torsby parish, Göteborg och Bohus län. Län = county.), married 11/9 86 (11 September 1886), moved in from Haga 1 March 1887, ej inskriv. (not registered??), the family moved out to page 387 1 February 1889
 
H (Hustru = wife) Anna Kristina Alfredsdotter, born 9 May 1861 in Ytterby etc.  
 
B (children)
 
John Albert (legitinerod??? I can't read the ending but was he now considered legitimate?), etc.
 
Margot Augusta Sofia, etc. (I'm not repeating birthdates, birthplaces, etc. due to lack of time. You have those already.)
 
They next show up on GID # 632.25.37900 . (The page number helped me find the page faster but it is the 15th rote and house number 24 C a.
 
The record is much the same as before but Manne Julius had handl. crossed out and replaced by arb. (worker) The note ej inskr. (not registered?) was replaced by 210 73/1889. (I wonder how that matches the person named Manne Julius found earlier in the moving in records for this parish.) The child Judith Victoria and her information was added. They were crossed out to be written in Nya Boken (new book) 91 2/1 (2 January 1891. (He was dead by then but you would never know it from this page.)
 
Taking a break.....
 
Judy

2007-03-11, 01:13
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I found the birth record for Manne Julius Andersson at this GID number.
 
100014.104.16900
 
His name was written as Mane (with a line over the n, meaning a double n)Julius. The writing is hard for me to read.  
 
I can't read the father's title. The father's given name was And. (probably Anders or Andreas, so Manne Julius was given the patronymic name of Andersson (for son of Anders or Andreas). I can't read the father's last name.  
 
The mother might be Anna L or Anna S. (I see Ane or Ana, with a line over the n. Again, the line over the n means to double the n.) Her last name was Magnusdr. (Magnusdotter). The mother was 24 years old. They lived at Ugglehed, a village in Torsby parish. (The parish was listed as Thorsby but it is written as Torsby in modern times.)
 
I think I've found them in the Torsby HFL 1862-1868. The child is just listed as Manne, however, and the birthdate says he was born 20 November 1864. (The birth record looks like 22 November.)
 
GID # 958.1.26100
 
The father was Andreas Martensson or Mattesson, born 18 August 1837 in Torsby
 
The wife/mother was Anna Sofia Magnusdotter, born 20 December or February (not sure of the writing)1840 in the same place. (Torsby)
 
d. Anna Christina, born 2 January 1862 in the same place
 
s. Manne, born 20 November 1864 in the same place
 
Check all the HFL for this family and hopefully you will find a more clear page with better writing and there should be other children too.
 
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2007-03-11, 01:27
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The birth of Anna Christina Alfredsdotter can be seen at this GID number in Ytterby, Göteborg och Bohus län.
 
GID # 965.13.10200
 
born 9 May 1861
baptised 12 May 1861
 
Aboen (title) Alfred Andersson in Rolfsbo (a village in that parish) and his wife (?) Andersdotter. Witnesses are listed.  
 
Judy

2007-03-11, 04:01
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Kim Broekhuizen

This is interesting. So maybe Manne had a sister named Anna Christina and a wife with the same name? I assume those must be common names in Sweden?  
 
I haven't had a chance to check on the genline site but plan to visit it tomorrow.  
 
I also think I need to work on my geography - I don't know much about Sweden at all.
 
Thanks again.

2007-03-11, 05:29
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Anna Christina is a very common name.
 
This is a map of Swedish län (counties).
 
http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/swe_counties_map_eng.htm
 
This is a map of Swedish landskap (provinces).
 
http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/swe_provinces_map_eng.htm
 
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2007-03-11, 20:03
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Here is a map showing the location of Ytterby.
 
http://tinyurl.com/2qyd68
 
This is the location of Torsby.
 
http://tinyurl.com/2jvqcu
 
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2007-03-11, 21:31
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On GID # 632.25.37900 you can read that John Albert was legitimerad which means booked as legitimate. A probable reason is that Manne was his father and they married after John Albert was born.  
On this page you can also read that Manne Julius died on June 21st, 1890. In the death book you would probably find the death reason, but the death book for 1890 is not on Genline. You may put out a question in this forum under the parish of Domkyrko and perhaps get help from someone who will visit the archives for you.
The note ej inskr. means not enrolled for military service. This may indicate that he suffered from some illness that made him not fit for military service.
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2007-03-11, 21:53
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I found Manne Julius's death in the SCB death records (not under the parish name), but of course that was an extraction of the full death record. Perhaps there is more detail in that full record which may not be filmed. The record in the GID below tells that he was shot to death.
 
GID # 100014.44.54300
 
Thank you, Jörgen, for your useful comments which helped me find more for Kim in the HFL.
 
This is the place, Kim, where you should post further questions about this family. (Post a link to this thread (which also contains a link to Rootsweb, so you won't need to post that link too. That will help everyone know what has been learned so far and prevent them from looking up what has already been found.)  
 
It is absolutely fine to post in English. I've posted in English in Swedish sections and received replies in English.
 
http://tinyurl.com/32t5sl
 
Judy

2007-03-11, 22:03
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Bo Johansson

Judy wrote:
 
GID # 632.25.37900 [...] The note ej inskr. (not registered?) was replaced by 210 73/1889.
 
This probably has to do with his military service, first he was not entered in the military rolls, then he was registered 1889 as number 210 in company number 73 (or no. 73 in company 210?).
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-03-11, 22:18
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Thanks, Bo. I always forget that military information.
 
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2007-03-11, 22:24
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Kim,
 
I think Jörgen is correct that the father of John Alfred was probably Manne Julius. See what is said about John Alfred in the bouppetecking (estate inventory) of Manne Julius. (I mentioned trying to get that bouppteckning from the Landsarkiv (Regional Archive) in Göteborg in an earlier post.)
 
This article provides ideas on how to find the missing father of an illegitimate child.  
 
http://www.genealogi.se/roots/barn.htm
 
Judy

2007-03-12, 01:22
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Kim,
 
This is a drawing of a man undergoing the examination which the HFL parish record keeps track of. (To do that efficiently, there was a need to note details about each household and those details are a fantastic help for our genealogical research.)
 
http://www.ddb.umu.se/ddbmaterial/kb_eng.htm
 
Judy

2007-03-26, 03:06
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Kim Broekhuizen

Thanks for the tips. I am just back from a week long vacation and planning to catch up on my research this week.

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