Carolina Stefansson

[Karen Norwillo]

Would someone with Genline access please look at GID: 2739.45.44800 and tell me the name of the street where she moved into and also the meaning of the next word. This is my greatgrandfather's sister. Thank you in advance. Karen

[Bo Nordenfors (Nob)]

Nbr 12, Frejgatan.  
Försvarlig= considerable, i.e. this tells us about her scripture.

[Karen Norwillo]

Thank you. Can someone see if she is still in Johannes parish in the 1900 census. She is probably listed as Carolina Stefansson, born Larsdotter. DOB 17 Jun 1853 Ö. Fågelvik, Värmlands län. Unfortunately, Genline does not show Household Examination rolls for the late 1890's.

[Bo Nordenfors (Nob)]

1890 she is in S:t Nicolai parish, block Midas 2.
Can't find her 1900.

[Karen Norwillo]

Bo,  
  Where is S:T Nicolai parish? Carolina was in Kärne, Värmland until 1871 when she moved to Stockholm. She moved into Storkyrko from 5 Jun 1889 before moving to S:T Johannes on 24 Dec 1891. She is recorded in that parish on 30 Dec 1891.I have notes she was in Uppsala before Storkyrko. I'm trying to trace her from 1871 to 1889 and then after 1892. I don't think that could be the right Carolina in 1890 in Nicolai.

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Karen,
 
I think that the Gamla Stan area (Old Town) of Stockholm is in S:t Nicolai parish, which is also called Storkyrko parish. If she lived in Storkyrko parish in 1890, she also lived in S:t Nicolai parish. I believe those are two names for the same parish.
 
From the Gamla Stan CD, which is only in Swedish:
 
(This person matches the one in your notes **and** the one Bo suggested. She has the correct birthdate and birthplace. She came in from Uppsala domkyrkoförs and lived on Lilla Nygatan 16; Mälaretorget 15; Tyska Brinken 36 (kv. Midas 2) Note the part about Midas 2 which was mentioned by Bo. She went out to Jakob och Johannes parish. She fits VERY well.)
 
 
Stefansson (Larsdotter), Karolina
 
Piga
 
f. 17/6 1853 (Fogelvik, Värmlands län)
Ogift, anställd utan familj  
 
Lilla Nygatan 16; Mälaretorget 15; Tyska Brinken 36 (kv. Midas 2)
 
In 11/6 1889 från Uppsala
Ut 23/12 1891 till rote 8 (Roslagsroten)
 
Uppgift om hushållsföreståndare:
Å Krogen
 
Källa: SSA, ÖÄ, Rotemansarkivet, häfte 1024, sida 1, rad 2
 
 
Normaliserade/rekonstruerade uppgifter:
 
Födelseort: Västra Fågelvik
Inflyttningsort: Uppsala (Uppsala län, Uppsala kn, Uppsala domkyrkoförs)
Utflyttningsort: Jakob och Johannes,Johannesroten (Stockholms län, Stockholms stad, Stockholms domkyrkoförs)
 
 
Judy

[Judy Olson Baouab]

You said that Karolina was in Kärne, Värmland. Kärne is listed on the Rosenberg CD as a by (village) in Östra Fågelvik parish. Rosenberg was made from a book about Swedish place names written in the 1880s. Spellings are, of course, those used at that time period. It also appears that the parish was called Fogelvik (Fågelvik) and not Östra Fågelvik at that time.
 
Kärne i Vermlands län, Väse hd, Fogelviks sn. By vid Venern.
 
Everything matches Bo's information very well and also matches your information very well, so I am quite sure Bo is correct that the person he found is your Karolina Stefansdotter.
 
Judy

[Judy Olson Baouab]

The person Bo found on the 1890 Swedish Census (I think he used that source.) is living with another Stefansson. They both cooked. (kokerska)
 
Stefansson, Katarina Maria 1848 Ch
Stefansson, Carolina 1853 Ch
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Eriksson, Maria 1857  
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Nilsson, Carolina Mathilda 1856  
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Kalm, Kristina Lovisa 1861  
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Olsson, Aug. Vilhelmina 1869  
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Rudvall, Sofia Gustafva 1865  
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Johansson, Charlotta 1860  
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Stockenberg, Amalia Gustafva 1865  
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Larsson, Carolina Josefina 1855  
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Magnusson, Emma Charlotta 1865  
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Olausson, Paulina Charlotta 1865  
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Utter, Sofia 1853  
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Andersson, Emma Aug. 1864  
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Carlsson, Carl August 1865  
 
Post 7627
 
Stefansson, Katarina Maria
Kokerska
 
b. 1848 i Fågelvik (Värmlands län, Värmland)
 
Woman, single (child)
 
Midas 2.
Sankt Nikolai (Stockholms stad, Uppland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Fågelvik Verml.
 
 
Post 7626
 
Stefansson, Carolina
Kokerska
 
b. 1853 i Fågelvik (Värmlands län, Värmland)
 
Woman, single (child)
 
Midas 2.
Sankt Nikolai (Stockholms stad, Uppland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Fågelvik Verml.
 
This is what the Gamla Stan CD has on Katarina Maria.
 
Larsson, Katarina Maria
 
Piga
 
f. 21/7 1848 (Fogelvik, Värmlands län)
Ogift, anställd utan familj  
 
Lilla Nygatan 16; Mälaretorget 15; Tyska Brinken 36 (kv. Midas 2)
 
In 14/5 1880 från rote 7 (Jakobsroten)
Ut 1884 (kvarstår i fastigheten)
 
Uppgift om hushållsföreståndare:
Krogförestånd.Meijer-hirsch /2kornhamnstorg/
 
Källa: SSA, ÖÄ, Rotemansarkivet, häfte 40149, sida 7, rad 8
 
 
Normaliserade/rekonstruerade uppgifter:
 
Födelseort: Västra Fågelvik
Inflyttningsort: Jakob och Johannes,Jakobs Södra Rote (Stockholms län, Stockholms stad, Stockholms domkyrkoförs)
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Larsson Stefansson, Katarina Maria
 
Piga
 
f. 21/7 1848 (Fogelvik, Värmlands län)
Ogift, anställd utan familj  
 
Lilla Nygatan 16; Mälaretorget 15; Tyska Brinken 36 (kv. Midas 2)
 
In 1881 från rote 7 (Jakobsroten)
Ut 1890 (kvarstår i fastigheten)
 
Uppgift om hushållsföreståndare:
Mejer Hirsch Krögare
 
Källa: SSA, ÖÄ, Rotemansarkivet, häfte 1023, sida 3, rad 19
 
 
Normaliserade/rekonstruerade uppgifter:
 
Födelseort: Västra Fågelvik
Inflyttningsort: Jakob och Johannes,Jakobs Södra Rote (Stockholms län, Stockholms stad, Stockholms domkyrkoförs)
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Stefansson (Larsson), Katarina Maria
 
Piga
 
f. 21/7 1848 (Fogelvik, Värmlands län)
Ogift, anställd utan familj  
 
Lilla Nygatan 16; Mälaretorget 15; Tyska Brinken 36 (kv. Midas 2)
 
In 1889 från rote 7 (Jakobsroten)
Ut 19/10 1891 till rote 19 (Skinnarviksroten)
 
Uppgift om hushållsföreståndare:
Å Krogen
 
Källa: SSA, ÖÄ, Rotemansarkivet, häfte 1024, sida 1, rad 1
 
 
Normaliserade/rekonstruerade uppgifter:
 
Födelseort: Västra Fågelvik
Inflyttningsort: Jakob och Johannes,Jakobs Södra Rote (Stockholms län, Stockholms stad, Stockholms domkyrkoförs)
Utflyttningsort: Maria Magdalena,Maria Norra Rote (Stockholms län, Stockholms stad, Maria Magdalena)
 
I can tell from this : Utflyttningsort: Maria Magdalena,Maria Norra Rote (Stockholms län, Stockholms stad, Maria Magdalena), that Katarina Maria was listed on the Söder CD. Söder doesn't copy/paste, so I'll just tell you a little bit.
 
She lived at Tavastgatan 17; Bränkyrkagatan 32 (kv. Kattryggen 2 (whatever that means). She moved out to rote 18 (Teknologroten)(and I don't know what parish that would be) on 31 August 1892.
 
Judy

[Judy Olson Baouab]

I found your Karolina Stefansson Larsdotter on the Klara CD for Stockholms Stad (city). The Klara CD doesn't copy/paste, so this is just partial information.
 
She was a maid (piga) at this address (and again, remember I can't explain addresses in Stockholms stad.)
 
Klara Vattugränd 4; Klarabergsgatan 43; Vasagatan 22 (kv. Kajan 4)
 
She had moved in from rote 7 (Jakobsroten)29 December 1894. She went out 8 January 1896 to rote 21 (Vanadisroten). I have no idea what parish that is in.
 
Judy

[Karen Norwillo]

Judy and Bo,
  Thank you so much for your explanation. I didn't know Storkyrko and ST. Nicolai were the same. That's why I questioned her being in two places at the same years. I have the 1890 census info on Carolina and Katarina, who were sisters. Thanks for the new info about 1894-1896. She sure moved around alot. I knew Kärne was in Fågelvik parish. Carolina moved from the family in Rörsvik and then to Stockholm. I have her in Household Examination records and her moving out record.
  Katarina Maria moved to Adolf Fredrik parish rote 22 at some point before 1900. In 1900 she was married to Johan Pettersson Halin f.1843 in Backaryd, Blekinge. They lived with his grown daughter at Gullvifvan No. 9. Johan died in 1923 in Gustaf Vasa parish, but I can't find Katarina.
  Thank you both. You have been so kind. Karen

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Karen,
 
This is a very useful site (but perhaps only in Swedish).
 
http://tinyurl.com/ozlya
 
Move down to Stockholm and then to the various parishes. You will see this.
 
Nikolai, se (= see) Storkyrkoförsamlingen (the Storkyrko parish)
 
When you look for Storkyrkoföramlingen, you find this.
 
Storkyrkoförsamlingen, se (see) Stockholms domkyrkoförsamling
 
This appears to be the modern name of the above parish names.
 
Stockholms domkyrkoförsamling
 
I found a post on the Genforum board explaining name changes for that parish. This was provided by a man named Johan. (He didn't state a last name.)
 
http://tinyurl.com/2bkmaj
 
 
That information provided by Johan helped me and I hope it will also help you.
 
Judy

[Judy Olson Baouab]

1900 Swedish Census CD:
 
Record 187491
 
Petersson Halin, Johan
Bagaregesäll
 
b. 1843 in Backaryd (Blekinge län, Blekinge)
 
förälder
Man, married, father
 
Gullvifvan N:o 9
Vasa rote 22 (Stockholms stad, Uppland)
 
Kyrkobokföringsort: Adolf Fredrik
 
Place of birth (original source): Backaryd Blekinge län
 
 
Record 187493
 
Katarina Maria
 
b. 1848 in Fågelvik (Värmlands län, Värmland)
 
h.
Woman, married, mother
 
Gullvifvan N:o 9
Vasa rote 22 (Stockholms stad, Uppland)
 
Kyrkobokföringsort: Adolf Fredrik
 
Place of birth (original source): Fågelvik Värmlands län
 
Record 187492
 
Halin, Anna Sofia Bernhardina
Sömmerska
 
b. 1873 in Adolf Fredrik (Stockholms stad, Uppland)
 
Woman, single, child
 
Gullvifvan N:o 9
Vasa rote 22 (Stockholms stad, Uppland)
 
Kyrkobokföringsort: Adolf Fredrik
 
Place of birth (original source): Adolf Fredrik Stockholms stad
 
I cannot find Carolina in 1900.
 
Judy

[Judy Olson Baouab]

A man named Hans Thordin helped me with the map (and explanation)in this Genforum message. Perhaps you can follow the directions and find your addresses too.
 
http://genforum.genealogy.com/sweden/messages/22154.html
 
Judy

[Karen Norwillo]

I have purchased a copy of the 1900 census and the only Karolina born 1853 in Fågelvik, Värmland was the one married to Ludvig Nilson. I am told this is not the Karolina I am searching.
The only other Karolina born in Fågelvik in 1853 was born 29 Apr 1853 in Wång, Fågelvik to Johanna Andersdtr. How would I go about finding her in the Stockholm household rolls to check birth date? Thank you, Karen

[Karen Norwillo]

I checked the births for Elsa Karolina Lovisa, the last of the children shown on the 1900 census
born to Ludvig Nilsson and the Karolina born in Fågelvik. Mother's name given as Karolina Lindgren. GID:100002.100.189. So it would seem my Karolina/Carolina may have died between Jan 1896, the last known place she was found,and 1900. Last found on the Klara emigration rolls when she moved-out to Vandisroten 21, Johannes parish 8 Jan 1896. Moved-in 13 Jan 1896.Is there any way to check deaths for that time? Not available on Genline. Karen

[Judy Olson Baouab]

Karen, the births, marriages, and deaths are on microfilm that you can order from a Family History Center. Look in the online Family History Library Catalog or in the catalog at the Family History Center under the name of the län (county) and then select Civil Registrations and utdrag ur ministerialböcker and then Döda for deaths. That provides the film number to order.
 
When the film arrives, you need to go through all the parishes in the län until you find the person's birth.  
 
This can be very time consuming if you don't know the year of death. I usually do searches such as these when I go to the Family History Library to avoid the long waits and expense of ordering numerous films.
 
I suppose it might be faster to contact the appropriate Regional Archive (Landsarkiv).
 
Judy

[Karen Norwillo]

Thank you, Judy. Do you know when in 1900 the Befolkning was taken? I don't want to search any further than I have to. As it is, I have 4 years worth, assuming she died in Stockholm. Karen

[Judy Olson Baouab]

I believe that the befolkning was recorded in early 1901, based upon the information at the very end of 1900. (This was not a separate enumeration. The priest extracted information from the records he already had.
 
Judy