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Författare Ämne: Forsgren/Andersdotter Descendants  (läst 1488 gånger)

2010-03-20, 20:41
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Seeking information about Olof Persson Forsgren and Magdalena Bernhardina Andersdotter's Descendants:
 
Petrus Emanuel, b.  11 May1886 in Tåsjö, Jamtlands
Marta Olivia, b. 17 Sept. 1888 in Tåsjö, Jamtlands
Olof Benjamin  
Bernardina
Anna Kajse, b. 8 Sept. 1897 in Frostviken, Jamtlands
 
Looking for these and one or two other children of Olof Persson Forsgren (born 1 Jan. 1856 in Sorsele, Vasterbottens), and Magdalena Bernhardina Andersdotter (born 1865 in Tåsjö, Jamtlands).
 
I actually have almost all information about Anna Kajse as she was the only one (I think) to go to the United States. I have information about her and about her uncle Jonas Mattias Anderson who lived in Minnesota.

2010-03-21, 17:41
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1900 Swedish Census CD:
 
Persson Forsgren, Olof   1856   Father
Andersdotter, Magdalena Bernhardina   1865   Mother
(Barn), Petrus Emanuel   1886   Child
(Barn), Marta Olivia   1888   Child
(Barn), Beda Kristina   1891   Child
(Barn), Sara Magdalena   1894   Child
(Barn), Anna Kajsa   1897   Child
(Barn), Olof Laurentius Berhard   1900   Child
 
Record 3625235
 
Persson Forsgren, Olof
Skräddare
 
b. 1856 in Sorsele (Västerbottens län, Lappland)
 
Man, married, father
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Sorsele Västerbottens län
 
 
Record 3625236
 
Andersdotter, Magdalena Bernhardina
 
b. 1865 in Tåsjö (Västernorrlands län, Ångermanland)
 
h.
Woman, married, mother
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Tåsjö Jämtlands län
 
Record 3625237
 
Petrus Emanuel
 
b. 1886 in Tåsjö (Västernorrlands län, Ångermanland)
 
s.
Boy, child
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Tåsjö Jämtlands län
 
Record 3625232
 
Marta Olivia
 
b. 1888 in Tåsjö (Västernorrlands län, Ångermanland)
 
d.
Girl, child
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Tåsjö Jämtlands län
 
Record 3625233
 
Beda Kristina
 
b. 1891 in Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
d.
Girl, child
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Frostviken Jämtlands län
 
Record 3625234
 
Sara Magdalena
 
b. 1894 in Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
d.
Girl, child
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Frostviken Jämtlands län
 
Record 3625238
 
Anna Kajsa
 
b. 1897 in Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
d.
Girl, child
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Frostviken Jämtlands län
 
Record 3625231
 
Olof Laurentius Berhard
 
b. 1900 in Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
s.
Boy, child
 
Jormvattnet
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Frostviken Jämtlands län
 
**************************************************
CD-ROM Swedish Death Index 1947-2006:
 
18860511-8911
 
Forsgren, Petrus Emanuel
 
Box 624, Bureborg
930 15  Bureå
 
Dead 7/14/1979.
 
Registered (1977) in Bureå, Skellefteå kn (Västerbottens län, Västerbotten). Registered for taxation (1977) in the same parish.
 
Born 5/11/1886 in Tåsjö (Jämtlands län, Ångermanland).
 
Widower (4/22/1949).
--------------
Parish of birth in the records:
TÅSJÖ (Västernorrland)
 
Source records:
RTB 79 / SPAR 80
 
This might be the death record for his wife.
 
18870305-890
 
Forsgren f. Fjällström, Lydia Alexandra Teresia
 
Rautas
 
Dead 4/22/1949.
 
Registered in Jukkasjärvi (Norrbottens län, Lappland).
 
Born 3/5/1887 in Jörn (Västerbottens län, Västerbotten).
 
Married woman (5/31/1908).
--------------
Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Jukkasjärvi, Kiruna kn (Norrbottens län, Lappland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
Jörn (Västerbotten)
 
Source records:
DA
**************************
18941216-8420
 
Åsbrandt, Sara Magdalena
 
Åkerbyv 1, III
183 35  Täby
 
Dead 11/21/1992.
 
Registered in Täby, Täby kn (Stockholms län, Uppland).
 
Born 12/16/1894 in Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland).
 
Widow (1/11/1986).
--------------
Parish of birth in the records:
FROSTVIKEN (Jämtland)
 
Source records:
RTB 92 / SPAR 92f / SPAR 95
 
This appears to be the death record of her husband.
 
18960206-8414
 
Åsbrandt, Per Edvard
 
Björnkällev 21
183 64  Täby
 
Dead 1/11/1986.
 
Registered (1982) in Täby, Täby kn (Stockholms län, Uppland). Registered for taxation (1982) in the same parish.
 
Born 2/6/1896 in Hammerdal (Jämtlands län, Jämtland).
 
Married man (12/24/1920).
--------------
Parish of birth in the records:
HAMMERDAL (Jämtland)
 
Source records:
RTB 86 / SPAR 90
***************************************
18910527-8924
 
Lindmark, Beda Kristina
 
Agneg 41 3 tr
112 29  Stockholm
 
Dead 11/18/1980.
 
Registered (1967) in Kungsholm, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Uppland). Registered for taxation (1967) in the same parish.
 
Born 5/27/1891 in Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland).
 
Widow (5/5/1955).
--------------
Parish of birth in the records:
FROSTVIKEN (Jämtland)
 
Source records:
RTB 80 / SPAR 90
 
This appears to be the death record of her husband.
 
18880901-893
 
Lindmark, Gustaf Helmer
 
Agneg 41.
 
Dead 5/5/1955.
 
Registered in Kungsholm, Stockholms stad (Stockholms stad, Uppland).
 
Born 9/1/1888 in Burträsk (Västerbottens län, Västerbotten).
 
Married man (10/9/1917).
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Corresponding parish(es) as of Jan 1, 2007:
Kungsholm, Stockholms stad (Stockholms län, Uppland)
 
Parish of birth in the records:
Burträsk (Västerbotten)
 
Source records:
DB, PA / DOR 52-60
 
 
I didn't find the others on the death cd.
 
Judy

2010-03-21, 18:13
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1880 Swedish Census:
 
http://www.svar.ra.se (subscription site)
 
Homeparish:    Tåsjö annex
Residence:    Kroknäset
County:    Västernorrland
Page:    13  
Row:    16  
 
 
Edvard Andreas Jonsson, b. 1828 in Dorotea Västerbottens län, Arbetare
Marta Jonsdotter, b. 1840 in Tåsjö Jämtlands län
Anders Daniel, b. 1862 in Tåsjö Jämtlands län
Jonas Mattias, b. 1864 in Tåsjö Jämtlands län
Magdalena Bernhardina, b. 1865 in Tåsjö Jämtlands län
Anna Kristina, b. 1869 in Tåsjö Jämtlands län
Marta Elisabet, b. 1875 in Tåsjö Jämtlands län
Margareta Evelina, b. 1879 in Tåsjö Jämtlands län  
 
1880:
 
I see a couple of possibilities for Olof Persson Forsgren but neither one used Forsgren at the time. Persson and Pehrsson are the same name, but the second one uses a decorative h.
 
# 1
 
Residence:    Johannesberg
County:    Västerbotten
Year of birth:    1856
Page:    25  
Row:    38  
 
He worked as a dräng for family number 1. He is listed in family number 2.
 
Fam. nr 1
 
Erik Johansson From, b. 1819 in Sorsele Västerbottens län, Hemmansägare
Kajsa Helena Olofsdotter, b. 1826 in Sorsele Västerbottens län
Anna Lovisa, b. 1863 in Sorsele Västerbottens län
Bror Emil, b. 1865 in Sorsele Västerbottens län
Carl August, b. 1867 in Sorsele Västerbottens län
 
 
Fam. nr 2
 
Olof Persson, b. 1856 in Sorsele Västerbottens län, Dräng = farmhand
 
Fam. nr 3
 
Margreta Sofia Eriksdotter, b. 1856 in Sorsele Västerbottens län, Piga = female farm worker
 
Fam. nr 4
 
Sara Lovisa Johansdotter, b. 1856 in Sorsele Västerbottens län, Piga = female farm worker
 
Fam. nr 5
 
Johan Gustaf Forsberg, b. 1850 in Lycksele Västerbottens län
Johanna From, b. 1853 in Lycksele Västerbottens län
Selma Johanna, b. 1873 in Lycksele Västerbottens län
Hugo Waldemar, b. 1874 in Lycksele Västerbottens län
Axel Viktor, b. 1872 in Sorsele Västerbottens län
Johan Elof, b. 1877 in Sorsele Västerbottens län
Jonas Albert, b. 1878 in Sorsele Västerbottens län
 
# 2
 
 
Name:    Olof Pehrsson
Homeparish:    Stensele Västerbottens län
Residence:    Personer skrifna på socknen (He is apparently listed on this page, which is for people registered in the parish. No specific location is provided.)
County:    Västerbotten
Year of birth:    1856
Parish of birth:    Sorsele Västerbottens län
Occupation:    ?
Marital status:    Unmarried (O)
Gender:    Man
Family status code:    Single (E)
Page:    40  
Row:    6  
 
The household examination records are far more detailed, so you should be able to figure out which Olof belongs to you if you research in the parish records.
 
Judy

2010-03-24, 05:35
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Hi Judy,
 
Thank you! This is amazing!
 
I have had some other information from others as well. My Olof, my great-grandfather, is definitely #2 because I know he was born in Sorsele.
 
Thank you again so much for finding all this.

2010-03-24, 18:29
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***BOTH*** men I listed for 1880 were born in Sorsele, so that is why I could not tell you which was yours without doing research in the parish records. You have chosen one of the men because he was born in Sorsele but you have eliminated another man who was also born in Sorsele.  
 
From my earlier posts:
 
Choice # 1:
 
Fam. nr 2
 
Olof Persson, b. 1856 in Sorsele Västerbottens län, Dräng = farmhand  
 
Choice # 2:
 
 
Name: Olof Pehrsson
Homeparish: Stensele Västerbottens län
Residence: Personer skrifna på socknen (He is apparently listed on this page, which is for people registered in the parish. No specific location is provided.)
County: Västerbotten
Year of birth: 1856
Parish of birth: Sorsele Västerbottens län
Occupation: ?
Marital status: Unmarried (O)
Gender: Man
Family status code: Single (E)
Page: 40
Row: 6  
 
Judy

2010-03-25, 01:23
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1890 Swedish Census CD:
 
This is your Olof. Work your way backwards in the Swedish parish records to see where your Olof lived (and also to check birthdates) in 1880. That will help you know which Olof is yours in 1880.
 
This man doesn't live in a listed place in the parish. That fact matches the second Olof Persson/Pehrsson, but still there is a need to check the birthdates of both men.
 
Persson Forsgren, Olof   1856   F
Andersdo. (Andersdotter), Magdalena Bernhardina   1865   M
(Barn), Petrus Emanuel   1886   Ch
(Barn), Marta Olivia   1888   Ch
 
Post 4540884
 
Persson Forsgren, Olof
Jordbruksarbetare
 
b. 1856 i Sorsele (Västerbottens län, Lappland)
 
Man, married (father)
 
I socken (in the parish)
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Sorsele, Vesterb. l.
 
Post 4540885
 
Andersdo., Magdalena Bernhardina
 
b. 1865 i Tåsjö (Västernorrlands län, Ångermanland)
 
h.
Woman, married (mother)
 
I socken
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
Place of birth (original source): Tåsjö, Vestern. l.
 
 
Post 4540887
 
Petrus Emanuel
 
b. 1886 i Tåsjö (Västernorrlands län, Ångermanland)
 
s.
Boy (child)
 
I socken
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
v
 
Place of birth (original source): Tåsjö, Vestern. l.
 
 
Post 4540886
 
Marta Olivia
 
b. 1888 i Tåsjö (Västernorrlands län, Ångermanland)
 
d.
Girl (child)
 
I socken
Frostviken (Jämtlands län, Jämtland)
 
v
 
Place of birth (original source): Tåsjö, Vestern. l.
 
Judy

2010-03-25, 17:04
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Hi Judy,
 
Sorry, I get confused reading long lists online.
 
I meant yes, the Olof in the first post is definitely the right one. As to 1880, yes there is no way I can know without researching further in material to which I have no access at this time. I have seen pictures of pages from the parish examination books, so I believe that if I could access them I could search for him.
 
Do you know how it is possible to do this?
 
Again thank you very much for your help and interest. I appreciate it greatly.
 
Clare

2010-03-25, 18:44
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Parish examination books (as well as birth, marriage and death records) can be accessed through three suppliers, all fee-based:
*  Genline
*  SVAR
*  AD Online
 
Genline has the best coverage, AD Online has the best pictures. Read all information thoroughly (particularly about what parishes are available, and for what years) before deciding on a subscription.
 
Ingela

2010-03-25, 19:46
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Erik Holmlund

I don't which of the two Olof Perssons in the 1880 census that is the right one.
 
However I do know this. Per Jonsson, farmer in Sappetavan, Sorsele parish had a son named Olof, born on 1st january 1856. In Clares first post it says that Olof Persson Forsgren was born that date so this is surely the right family. I have no church record reference to provide since I read it on the CD Samer och nybyggare i inlandet och fjällvärlden which is a family register covering the area. The main source of the register is the church records though. There's plenty of more information on the CD about Per Jonssons family and there's also much more to be found of his ancestors.
 
By googling I found this picture of village Sappetavan as it looks today. Still a small village with not so many households.
http://www.pixbox.se/pic_show_id3524643.html
 
Best Regards
Erik Holmlund

2010-03-25, 23:11
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Clare:
 
I meant yes, the Olof in the first post is definitely the right one.
 
I don't see how you can be so definite about which Olof is yours without looking at the birthdates in the household examination books. Both were born in Sorsele. If this were my family, I would feel very uncomfortable about choosing one or the other without further investigation.  
 
 
Judy

2010-04-15, 01:43
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Hey, I think we are talking at cross purposes here. You think I'm saying something that I'm not. I can't tell where he was in 1880... no way I can tell ... I said that before... I am not deciding which one was which in 1880 because I can't tell! I don't have a subscription right now & am waiting to get one until I see which one is the best and until I have amassed all the questions I want to check on about this family and many others in the extended family. I meant, all the data in the very first post you gave in which you answered me, matched what I knew about the family, therefore I know that the new information you added to what I already knew, in the very first post that you made, was the right information. That's what I  meant. Do you understand now that I'm not doing something silly?
 
Anyway I do thank you very much for posting it.

2010-04-15, 11:06
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Erik Holmlund

Clare> I wouldnt be surprised if the two Olof Pehrssons in the 1880 census are the same person.
The Olof Pehrsson listed as farmhand at Erik Johansson Froms household moves to Stensele parish in early 1880. Between 1874-80 he hopped between 5 or 6 farms within Sorsele parish, working as farmhand. I am by the way a From descendant and I know some of the Froms emigrated and ended up in the Wetaskiwin area, Alberta. Where in Canada did the Forsgrens go?

2010-04-15, 16:48
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Clare,
 
I didn't say you were doing something silly. I did say that I can't figure out which man is yours, and as Erik said, perhaps both men are yours.
 
Judy

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