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2007-08-23, 20:58
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Could someone read and translate the entry for 1 Jam 1729 in GID 2712.37.93300?
 

 
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Art

2007-08-24, 07:35
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Dead and buried, Svea Livgarde parish  
Anno 1729  
Date: 3 January (death or burial?)
Death number: 1
Hans - Grenadier of Mr.(?) Captain Johan(?) Wrangel's company Hans Bargren's son - i Olufs(??)
 
So this is Hans Bargren's son Hans. Perhaps lived or was buried in Sankt Olofs parish?
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-08-24, 18:42
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I was hoping that this was a child named Hans Bargren.  Nils Bargren and Maria Persdottor had two sons, both named Hans Nilsson Bargren.  The first born 17 Oct 1728, the second 1 Apr 1730.  I am assuming that the first child died before the second was born, and the second child inherited the same name.  Since both children were born in Svea Livgardes parish, I was hoping to find a death record there as well.
 
Ultimately, I'm trying to see if one of these Hans Bargrens is the Hans Bargren (later called Berggren) that became a master comb maker in Stockholm.
 
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2007-08-24, 19:57
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Bo Johansson

It is not impossible that there is an error in the records, but the father's name definitely looks like Hans Bargren, not Nils.
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-08-24, 19:58
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Bo Johansson

BTW, have you checked if there is a grenadier Hans Bargren in Svea Livgarde?
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-08-24, 22:34
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I have found the following interesting sequence of parish entries.  I Hope I am interpreting things correctly!  It appears that Nils Hansson Bargren married Christina Lind 5 May 1728, but she dies 6 Jul 1728.  Notice that he is called Hans here (maybe as a common name after Hansson?).  But then a child named Hans is born 17 Oct 1728 to a Nils Bargren and a Maria Persdotter (illegitimate?). That child (the above image) dies about 3 Jan 1729.  Nils Bargren marries Maria Perdotter about the same time.  They have another son named Hans 1 Apr 1730.  It is hard to image two Nils Bargrens in the same company (Capitain Wrangels).



2007-08-27, 11:39
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The notice from the birtbook 1728 is interesting.  
It?s from the book of illegitimate children but there is a note that says that as Bargren got a permission to marry Maria Persdotter the note should be transferred to page 189. Which is the ordinary birthbook. On page 189 there is a reference see page 306.
 
Most interesting is the godfather 1728, or rather his profession; combmaker journeyman Anders Jonsson.

2007-08-27, 18:39
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Thanks Staffan!
 
Then I think you agree with my interpretation of events?  Do you agree that Nils Hansson Bargren was also known as Hans Bargren?
 
If there is any record of where Nils Bargren was born, then at least I have a patronymic to work with.  Possibly the Nils Hansson b.2 Mar 1707 in Nysund, Orebro, Sweden to Hans Nilsson and Maria Hansdotter (given patronymic naming customs).  But that would have been a very common name.
 
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2007-08-27, 19:46
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I agree with your interpretations. The fact that Nils Bargren a couple of times was called Hans Bargren was probably only a mistake. There is quite a lot of examples of that in the parish registers.
 
Nils patronymic was Hansson. In the military enlistment rolls is Nils always called Nils Hansson Bargren. He was enrolled 1719 and he was from the province of Skåne in south Sweden. He was 30 years old 1722, 34 years old 1726 and so on so he must have been born around 1682.  
 
There are lists from 1721, 1722, 1726, 1728, 1732, 1735, 1737, 1740, 1741 and 1745. In all lists except the one from 1745 he is called Nils Hansson Bargren. In the list of 1745 he is called Erich Hansson Bargren and it also gives the information that he was dead in Fredrikshamn 18/2 1742. But it must be the same person. Again an example of when the scriber has written the wrong name, maybe understandable three years after the person died.
 
Livgardet (the Life Guards) was a recruited regiment and the soldiers came from all parts of Sweden.
 
When I googled Bargren on swedish sites I found two other Bargren/Bahrgren around 1750. Both were soldiers in Skåne.
 
In Skåne there is a parish Bara. Perhaps these soldiers have origins from Bara parish?

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