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[Al Neilson]

Can some kind person read the comment at the end of lines 1 & 2 on GID 110.19.53900? (Bergshammar A1:7, 1816-1825, page 144)
 
Nils Andersson and Anna Stina Persdotter are my 2xgreat grandparents.
 
kind regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral

[Olle Andersson]

My try:  
1824 till fästningsarbete för 3dje resan stöld
=
1824 (convicted) to hard labour at fortress för 3rd time stealing
Most fortresses in Sweden were built by prisoners of war or convicted criminals.
 
Olle/sm4cjk

[Al Neilson]

OK Olle,
 
Thank you for the translation. The mother and her five children appear to be moved also in 1824, to page 135 (GID 110.19.52900 lines 11 to 16). I presume this would be a workhouse? Also would the prison inmates be listed in the HFL?
 
thank you for your help,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral

[Al Neilson]

Hello again,
 
I need another translation from GID 110.20.64700
(A1:8 Berghammar 1826-1830, page 26). The notes at the end of lines 1/2 presumably relate to my 3x great grandfather Nils Andersson being in prison?
 
Also it would appear in the next HFL (GID 110.21.86900 - 1836, line 1/2) that his wife, Anna Stina Persdotter, is a widow - where can I find her husbands death in prison?
 
Any help or suggestions are most welcome,
 
regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral

[Camilla Eriksson]

Hi Al
 
In between the two household examination rolls that you have mentioned,the family also appeared at GID 110.20.75400. There it is stated that Nils Andersson had been sentenced to life in prison after his 4th conviction for theft. Since he is said to have come from Malmö in 1826? 1828? - the exact year is quite difficult to tell -  it is quite probable that he was a prisoner at the fortress in Malmö.

[Al Neilson]

Hi Camilla,
 
Thank you for that translation. Is there any records of Malmo prison available? I wonder where his death would be recorded?
 
Also where did Anna Stina and her youngest child moved to in 1836 (HFL (GID 110.21.86900 - 1836, line 1/2) - I can't read it!
 
kind regards from Al

[Camilla Eriksson]

They moved to Bergsh(ammars by) Bre(d)g(ården), at GID 110.21.85400.

[Al Neilson]

Hi again - I need more help!
 
In GID:110.21.85400 (Bergshammar AI:9 1836-1845, page 19)line 16, where did Anna Stina Persdotter (born 1787 in Raby)move to in 1839? - it looks like Nyttagen - I can't find it!
 
Her son, Carl August Nilsson (born 1824 in Bergshammar)on line 17 looks like he moved to Bjorka at the same time?
 
regards,
 
Al from Wirral

[Camilla Eriksson]

Anna Stina Persdotter moved to Nystugan in Bergshammar. You'll find her at GID 110.21.86700.
 
Carl August Nilsson was an apprentice at the parish tailor in Björka (see GID 110.21.86300). He moved to Tuna parish in 1840.

[Bo Johansson]

Al Nelsson: I believe the parish Malmö Slottsförsamling (Malmö castle) is the prison, so if he died there sometime 1831 to 1835, he should be in the death records.
 
Deaths 1831 start at GID 1314.1.30800, deaths from 1832 at GID 1314.2.36000.
 
// Bo Johansson

[Bo Johansson]

There is for example prisoner no 642(?) Nils Andersson, died 2 July 1833, 41 years old, life prisoner for theft (GID 1314.2.36100). Does the age fit?
 
// Bo Johansson

[Al Neilson]

Thank you for your help Camilla,
 
There is a note I cannot read (GID:110.2.11300 AI:10 1846-1850)
at the end of line 13, Anna Stina Persdotter (Born 1787 Raby) can you read it?
 
kindest regards,
 
Al

[Camilla Eriksson]

I can't read the end of the sentence, but it begins with Bör befrias från.... The end of that sentence is 98 times out of a 100 mantal, which meant that she should be excused from paying her taxes. She was getting close to the age when she wouldn't have to pay it anyhow, and she was probably quite poor.
 
 
And she lived in Tyskstugan! That's about 150 meters away from the house where I spent my childhood summers. The road ends at Tyskstugan, and beyond it's just miles of forest. The landscape has of course changed since she lived there, and actually it's changed quite a lot since we left Nederfallet in 1981. The main road has been cut off by the freeway and five houses were built right in the strawberry field.  
 
Sorry, I got somewhat carried away by memories - I wonder if she ever visited the caves...
 
 
Camilla

[Al Neilson]

Hello Bo,
 
Thanks for your help.
 
My 3x great grandfather, Nils Andersson, was born on 16 July 1780 in Husby Oppunda - so his age would be 53!
 
However I will continue looking for his death over the following years,
 
kindest regards,
 
Al

[Bo Johansson]

Even if he was in Malmö prison/castle before, he might have been in another prison for his 4th sentence.
 
After all, Malmö is not particularly close to Södermanland, there were other prisons that are closer.
 
// Bo Johansson

[Al Neilson]

Hello again Bo & Camilla,
 
I have checked the deaths at the prison up to 1868 and have found several Nils Andersson's but only one  looks like being my Nils. He is at GID: 1314.2.37100.  Prisoner number 365, Nils Anderson Lykr ?? died 23 August 1845, age 65 or 55 years. I don't know what Lykr means and also his age is unclear - 65 would be correct.
 
What would the living and working conditions have been like in Malmö prison for Nils? Would he be allowed any visits from his wife and five children? Would he have been buried in a prison cemetery?
 
His wife, Anna Stina Persdotter, living in Bergshammar between 1831-1835 (GID: 110.20.75400) has been changed from Hustra to Ankan. That would rule out the 1845 death! Perhaps the Nils Andersson, who died 2 July 1833, age 41 years old, life prisoner for theft (GID 1314.2.36100) had the wrong age record - he would have been 52 at this time.
 
Are the court or prison records available?
 
Much appreciate your help and I do like it when memories carry us away!!
 
Kindest regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral

[Camilla Eriksson]

The prisoner's name is Nils Andersson Lyhr, but he is not sentenced to life - he is an arbetsfånge but not a livstidsfånge.
 
It is most likely that Nils Andersson, as you yourself have noticed, Al, died somewhere between 1831 and 1835. As I recall the records for the prison i  Malmö are not filmed and only available at the City Archive in Malmö: some years ago I was researching the ancestry of my late uncle's former brother-in-law. All his ancestors came from the area around Trelleborg and I went down to Landsarkivet in Lund primarily to check after estate inventories. Once of his ancestors committed a crime - theft, if I remember it correctly - and had to spend four years at the fortress in Malmö. After his release he emigrated to Denmark. But since we only were in Lund for two days, I couldn't get to Malmö and check the records from his time in prison.

[Al Neilson]

Hello again,
 
I need help with translating the marriage entry of my 4x great grandparents. GID: 64.26.41400 (Husby Oppunda C:3).
26 October 1760: farmhand Anders Eriksson from Ekeby and ?? dottren?? Britta Gustavsdotter  ?? derfammassady ??
 
Also what prisons would be close to Södermanland around 1830?
 
Kindest regards,
 
Al from Wirral

[Camilla Eriksson]

Drängen Anders Eriksson i Ekeby och dottren Brita Gustafsdotter därsammanstädes: The farmhand Anders Eriksson in Ekeby and the daughter Brita Gustafsdotter, from the same place (well, that would be Ekeby).

[Al Neilson]

Hi I'm back again,
 
I can't read where my 2x great grandfather and family moved to in GID:2125.40.106800 (Nyköpings Västra, B:2 emmigration)
Emigration  8/11/1845, entry no 231, J. E. Nilsson and family, from page 232,  to Edigo
 
Any help much appreciated,
 
Regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral

[Jöran Johansson]

They moved to Öster (= Nyköping Östra = East parish), you will find them moving in there Nov 22 at GID 2143.42.2900.
 
What you read as Edigo is Ärlige = honest.
 
Regards
Jöran Johansson

[Al Neilson]

Help!
 
Sorry but I still can't find Johan Eric Nilsson and family in the HFL for Nyköping Östra (1841-1845)
From the immigration record they should be at page 30? (GID 2143.42.2900)
 
Where I am going wrong?
 
kind regards,
 
Al from Wirral

[Camilla Eriksson]

Al, they moved to page 80 in the N(ew) B(ook), which of course is the household rolls for 1846- 50. You'll find them at GID 2143.22.81400.

[Al Neilson]

Hi again,
 
I have found my 2x great grandmother, Sofia Lovisa born 5 March 1821 in Svärta (GID: 2129.26.5600 Line 6). Is she a foster child of Anders Pehrsson & Maja Nilsdotter? I cannot find her birth at Svärta?
 
kind regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

I found one Sofia Lovisa born 1821 in Svärta (in Swedish census 1890)
It said like this;
 
Nilsson born Törnqvist, Sofia Lovisa, widow.  
Born 1821 in Svärta (Södermanlands län, Södermanland)
Widow, singel in the family (=live alone 1890)
Lived in
Qv.(arter = block) Pokalen
in Norrköpings norra (Östergötlands län, Östergötland)
Source of birth-place; Svärtuna in Nyköp.(ing) 1.
 
I don't know if this is the right girl. mybee.
She doesn't live 1900 (according to Swedish census 1900)
Good luck Elisabet

[Al Neilson]

Hello Elisabet,
 
Yes that is Sofia Lovisa in the 1890 census. I have all her HFL moves since her birth in 1821.
 
In GID: 2129.26.5600 in 1821 she is born / living with Anders Pehrsson & Maja Nilsdotter. Are they her parents?  Sofia Lovisa birth (5 March 1821) is not in the birth register for Svärta!
 
regards,
 
Al

[Elisabet Arvidsson]

I don't live in Nyköping and I haven't Genline yet, therefor I can't help you anymore but I hope other Swed's can find the right GID--and tell you what the mening of the text are.
regards  
Elisabet

[Chris Bingefors]

It definitely says she is born here meaning the parish, but it ma be 1822. It does not make me wiser since I cannot find her in 1822 either. She is a foster daughter. So - does här mean a short form of some other parish? It does look slightly different to the other people who presumably are born in Svärta.

[Camilla Eriksson]

This is strange. Sofia Lovisa is always stated as having been born in Svärta, but I checked the christenings from 1818 to 1822 and there isn't a trace of her.
Sometimes people who are said to have been born i Svärta were actually born in the closest parish, Helgona (or Nyköpings Östra Alla Helgona), but I couldn't find her there either.
 
It seems most likely that she is born out of wedlock, but it is strange that she is missing in the baptizing records and that there is no notion of from which place she moved to Valmestastugan. The note här actually means most of the time that the person is born at the actual place, in this case Valmestastugan. But I can't identify any possibly mother in the household rolls.
 
There are a few possible ways to find her anyhow, but the archives in question aren't filmed. The first two sources that come to mind are the sockenstämmoprotokoll for Svärta parish and a list of orphaned kids or kids with just one (poor) parent, that received a sum of money four times a year from the hospital in Nyköping.
 
 
Would you like me to check for Sofia Lovisa in  those sources the next time I visit Landsarkivet in Uppsala? I'm hoping to visit the archive in the beginning of July.
 
 
Kind regards
Camilla

[Al Neilson]

Hello to all!
 
When Sofia Lovisa emigrates to Helgona in 1839, she uses the surname Andersdotter Tornqvist (GID:2143.36.5900). In her marriage record on 21 Nov 1841 to Johan Erik (Ersson)/Nilsson she is Sofia Lovisa Tornqvist. But in all the HFL records up to 1847 she is Andersdotter Tornqvist. After 1847 she drops the 'Andersdotter'
 
I don't know whether 'Tornqvist' could be a clue to her true family name?
 
If you could look up those sources the next time you visit Landsarkivet in Uppsala I would be grateful.
 
Kindest regards,
 
Al Neilson from Wirral