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Författare Ämne: Jonas Hellman  (läst 1825 gånger)

2007-04-19, 04:08
läst 1825 gånger

Diana Mundle

How do I go about finding the birth record or birth place of Jonas Hellman born about 1800?
I know he was married in Nätra Parish 7.11.1828 to Anna Sophia Jansdr.
He had 2 sons, Gustaf born 01.08.1828 and Johan born 18.02.1831 both born in Nätra Parish.
I've looked through Nätra Parish Husförhör and could not locate any household records for Jonas.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Diana

2007-04-19, 11:13
Svar #1

Bo Johansson

Are you sure about the sons' birth dates or birth places? I don't see Johan in February 1831 in the Nätra (Västernorrland) birth records (2069.8.22100).
 
There is a Gustaf, born 1 Aug 1828 to Jonas Hellman(??) and Sofia Jönsdotter(?) at Hä-/Nä-???
 
I don't see their marriage in the Nätra marriage records for 1828 (GID 2069.8.53200).
 
Could they have lived somewhere else, and only one son was born in Nätra?
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-04-19, 14:43
Svar #2

Diana Mundle

Hi Bo,
I'm terribly sorry, Jonas and Sophia were married in 1824 not 1828.
It's listed in Nätra Vigselbok 1809-1860, genline 2069.8.53100
And Johan's birth is listed in Book of births Nätra Parish, Västernorrland County, genline 2069.8.2230
I've looked through the Husförhör and can not find Jonas Hellman or Anna Sophia Jansdr, yet one of thier children (Johan 1831) was born during 1829-1839?
What are your thoughts on this?  
 
Diana

2007-04-19, 16:56
Svar #3

Bo Johansson

Yes, now I see Johan's birth 18/19(?) January 1831, the placename is difficult.
 
In the marriage record the placename looks like Bergom. Have you looked in the Nätra HFL AI:2B 1818-1828 from page 21 (GID 2069.33.48900)?
 
And perhaps look in the birth book for an earlir child born 1824.1827?
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-04-19, 16:57
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Bo Johansson

CORRECTION: Johan's birth 18/19(?) June 1831.
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-04-19, 20:36
Svar #5

Diana Mundle

Bo,
Can you read the name of where Jonas Hellman and Sophia Jansdr lived when Gustaf (01.08.1828)was born?
Genline 2069.8.20800
This might be a good place for me to look for them in the Husförhör 1818-1829.
 
Diana

2007-04-20, 13:53
Svar #6

Bo Johansson

Very difficult. It could possibly be Nätra something, or Näske?
 
You might have to page trough the entire 1829-1839 HFL (AI:3A and AI:3B) to look for people born 1828 and 1831.
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-04-20, 14:20
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Diana! In addition to the information you already have received from Bo, I found the following:
The family is listed in Bergom on GID 2069.34.73400 (AI:3A page 32). The family seems to be missing in the records of 1831-32 but returning 1833. Johan though born 1831 is not listed. A daughter is born 1824.
As Bo I could not read the birth place of Gustaf. Perhaps you can find something out in the birth records of the daughter.
Barbro Sändh

2007-04-20, 23:48
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Diana Mundle

Hi Bo and barbro,
Thanks for everything.
I went through the husförhör 1818-1828 and found Jonas Hellman and Anna sophia Jansdr!!  
GID 2069.32.43300 page 191
Is the place they are living Waufolket?
How do I read this?
What do the numbers in the year columns mean?
It's hard to read thier names, so any help reading this will be greatly appreciated.
Are all the people listed in that group related?
I also checked the birth book from 1823-1817 and can't find Maja Stina's birth record, can you suggest anything else I might try to find out (other then 1800) when and where Jonas was born?
It says he was a Båtsman, is there some way I can trace his information through military records?
 
Diana

2007-04-21, 02:03
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Hi Diana,
It was well done to find the family! The place as I read it is Wallfolket. It is not easy to read pages with so little information on as this page, but it seems Jonas moved in around 1824, and the persons below Anna Sophia might be her mother (widow Stina Jansdotter) and one sister (Elisabet Christina) and one brother (Eric).
The N in one of the columns means that the person is present when the priest holds the household examination. The figures in the other columns should be dates of the communion.  
I cannot help you with any military records for Båtsman. Perhaps you can start a new discussion with this headline, and someone else might help you.
Barbro Sändh

2007-04-21, 09:34
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Nätra C:1 (1809-1859)
Page 195 1828
Born Aug. 1 Bapt. Aug. 2
Gustaf
Parents: Jonas Hellman and wife Sofia Jansdr in Hålviken

2007-04-21, 11:31
Svar #11

Bo Johansson

About Jonas Hellman at Vallfolket, page 191 in Nätra HFL AI:2A (GID 2069.32.43700). That is a strange placename (the Vall people), could it perhaps be a local equivalent to utanvidsfolk or socknens slut?
 
And on page 190 is the text i Fattigstugan so perhaps page 191 is also the poor-house.
 
Where do you see that he is a Båtsman? If it is this page, I think his title is really Måg (son-in-law).
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-04-21, 11:53
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Båtsmansdatabas
 
Arnäs  
 
Rote 146 Hök  
Ordinarie båtsmän
 
2214621: Bodin, Gustaf Hellman
Född 1828 i Hålviken, Nätra.
Antagen som ordinarie båtsman 1850, (22 år gammal).
Avsked 1866, (38 år gammal)..  
Gift 1851 med Anna Elisabeth Ersdr. Född 1825 i Västerlandsjö
 
Berit

2007-04-21, 12:43
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Bo Johansson

Having more thoughts about Jonas Hellman and Anna Sophia on page 191 in Nätra HFL AI:2A (GID 2069.32.43700):
 
Perhaps it is the people above that are Anna Sophia's family, mother widow Stina Jansdotter born 1773, and three siblings.
 
// Bo Johansson

2007-04-22, 03:50
Svar #14

Diana Mundle

Bo, Barbro and Berit,
Thank you for all the helpful information.
In the 1818-1828 Husförhör shouldn't the daughter Maja Stina be listed there with Jonas and Sophia since she was born in 1824? And also in the 1829-1839 Husförhör their son Johan born in 1831 isn't listed with the family. I know he is listd in the 1890 census:  
Johan Hellman b. 1831  
Homeparish: Sidensjö
Residence: Drömme
County: Västernorrland
 
Is there and records I should check to find out where Jonas and Sopia went in 1831 and 1832?  
Or where Maja Stina is during the 1818-1828 Husförhör and where Johan is during the 1829-1839 Husförhör?  
It was Jonas' son Gustaf Hellman Bodin that I was confusing myself with, he was the Båtsman.
 
Diana

2007-04-22, 12:47
Svar #15

Bo Johansson

It did happen, especially in early records, that young children are missing in the HFL. But it is also posible that a child lived with grandparents or other relatives.
 
I'm not sure that they really were missing 1831-1832, perhaps they just didn't attend the examinations? (GID 2069.34.73400).
 
// Bo Johansson

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