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2008-08-19, 05:16
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Hej,
 
I am new to this board and recently discovered the info at genline.  I am finding many things that my family gave up on many years ago.  This is great!
 
My great grandfather, Johan Paulus Lindblad, came to the USA in 1882 and settled in Chicago as John Paul Linn.  I found his birth record (March 8, 1866 in Clastorp) at 100018.16.52700.  I found his Moving Out record (April 21, 1882 from Elfkärrstorp) at 2458.67.75700, which matches the Household Examination record that I found at 2458.29.42600.
 
So this is a very interesting record.  I learn that his mother, who we only knew as Mathilda Pauleson, has full name Kristina Mathilda Pauleson.  She died November 19 1881, which matches the death record at 100018.56.36900.
 
Johannes Lindblad subsequently married Lovisa Anderson (as my family knew her, perhaps it is really Andersdotter?) on November 11, 1883, which matches the marriage record at 100018.62.6900.
 
I have found more information as well, but these things I have not found and puzzle me:
 
1) It appears that Johannes Lindblad was born in Nedre Ullerud on May 4, 1829.  I can not find a birth record.  Our family lore says that he was born on a farm called Hagen or Hägen near Forshaga.  Is there any record of this farm or his birth record?  His parents names were apparently Jonas and Lita.
 
2) What is the meaning of what is crossed out on 2458.29.42600 (Brukas of Johannes Lindblad i Bregärden)?  Was he replaced in this job (tenant farmer?) by Karl somebody of Lauhasden?  It appears that Johannes moved, but what is the Flyttat reference to Got556?  Page 556 (or 556 of what book?)
 
3) Similarly, I can not find a birth record (May 4, 1822) in Gasborn for Mathilda Pauleson.  Was there a different parish in 1822?
 
4) What is the cause of death (Dödsorsak) for Mathilda Pauleson at 100018.56.36900)?  It looks like Grafta or Krafta, but I don't find these in the dictionary.
 
5) Johannes and Lovisa later had children together and the birth record shows Bregärden (as in my #2) above).  I looked for the Household records for the time period, but I don't find a village called Bregärden in the index.  Is this a farm?  In which case, which village and parish?
 
Well, that is a lot of questions, but only a start really.
 
I will be very thankful for any information on these specific questions and also any feedback for how to improve my presentation of questions to the board.

2008-08-19, 06:56
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Some answers:
 
Johannes moves to Lämås farm (2458.34.60500), via another place, he arrives in 1884, here in the 1890 census:
 
Lindblad, Johannes   1829   Far
Andersdotter, Lovisa   1855   Mor
(Barn), Valda Lovisa   1884   Barn
(Barn), Anders Valfrid   1887   Barn
(Barn), Karl Julius   1890   Barn
 
 
He is crossed out at the first place because he moves and does not farm the land any more, his successor is added instead (moves in 1884).
 
Kräfta means Cancer.
 
I did not find a birth record for Johannes either, but the actual date may well have been changed due to misprint over the years. You should check around the date given, or go back from the 1880s and record every move.

2008-08-19, 10:00
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Thanks Chris!
 
I have the birth record of Valda Lovisa (100018.63.47600) which appears to show Lämås farm.  I can not read the far right column - probably a witness?  I have the birth record for Anders Valfrid (100018.69.32500) which appears to show Bregården farm and Johannes as Torpegau? (which I think I saw indicates he owns the cottage on which he farms someone else's land?).  In other years I have seen Johannes listed as Rättare (foreman) at Prostgarden in Karlskoga, and arrendator (tenant farmer) at Clastorp in 1861-1866.  There's a number 4 which might indicate some time of tax status?  And again I can not read the far right column.  The 1890 births do not seem to be available, but I am confident that Karl Julius was born December 24, 1890 as what little information I had to begin with came from his letters of the 1950s.
 
Great grandfather Johan bought a fruit farm in Spring Lake, Michigan, USA and invited these five, but Johannes died in Sweden before the others emigrated in 1899.  I have their arrival date from ancestry.com, but not a departure date.  Genline death records appear to stop in 1997.  I would like to find the death record for Johannes and plan to look through the entire 1897.  Do you know how I might find 1898 and 1899?
 
I've been trying to trace Johannes backward, and I find him at Carls Aby in 1856-1860 (2458.94.63400) but had trouble tracing the reference to 53 Kihl and 57 244 R. 56 381 M appears to relate to 2458.94.63500 where he is listed as Johannes Jonasson, with the Jonasson stricken and replaced with Lindblad.  The far right column seems to indicate his marriage to Ch. Pauleson, May 20, 1856.

2008-08-19, 10:18
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Here are emigration dates for some of the family, from the Emibas CD:
 
Post 868850
 
Lindblad, Walda Lovisa
Arbetardotter (unmarried woman)
 
b. 10/20/1884 in Karlskoga, Örebro län (Värmland)
 
Emigrated 4/14/1899
from Lämås, Karlskoga, Örebro län (Värmland)
to Amerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. V2 415
 
Emibas migration file ID: Karlskoga T 1899 015
 
Post 868884
 
Lindblad, Anders Walfrid
Arbetarson (unmarried man)
 
b. 9/5/1887 in Karlskoga, Örebro län (Värmland)
 
Emigrated 7/21/1899
from Lämås, Karlskoga, Örebro län (Värmland)
to Nordamerika
 
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. V2 415
 
Emibas migration file ID: Karlskoga T 1899 027
 
Lovisa and Karl Julius emigrated with Anders Valfrid.
 
 
Later household records are not yet online in any of the 3 databases that provide genealogical records. They are hopefully on the way.
 
53 Kihl must mean that he moved from Kihl parish in 1853. The others are page numbers in the household records (letters being the different volumes in Kristinehamn).
Torpare means crofter, someone who has a cottage and some land in exchange for work at a nearby farm. He obviously went downhill during his life.
 
Karl Julius was born Dec 24 according to the birth book (available on AD-online database)
 
Quite an achievement for a 16-year old boy to go to America and then be able to bring his whole family over.
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla den 19 augusti, 2008)

2008-08-20, 04:09
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Thanks again Chris!
 
I have looked in Kihl parish without success, but I will look some more.
 
It wasn't obvious to me that Johannes' employment was a downhill progression rather than a series of lateral movements, but thank you for clarifying that.  On the bright side, following his wife's unfortunate death from cancer, at the age of 54 he married a 28 year old and started a new family.
 
I am still interested whether we can identify a farm called Hagen near Forshaga.  I have looked in Nedre Ullerud for ten years on either side of Johannes' supposed birth in 1829.  I also searched for his brother Nils without luck.
 
Family lore, which could be true or complete fantasy, says that Johannes' father Jonas was in the Swedish Army and fought against Napoleon in the Battle of Leipzig.  Can you point me in the direction of military records to see whether Jonas can be idenitified?  From what I gather, I may need to know where Jonas was living at the time he joined the army in order to locate his records?
 
Any help is greatly appreciated.

2008-08-20, 07:18
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I am not familiar with the area but today there is a place called Hagen (not a very unusual name) which is near Deje in Nedre Ullerud. I cannot find it in the parish books however, it may have belonged to another parish. There is also a parish called Övre (meaning Upper) Ullerud, there are no birth books archived for 1829.
 
I have found Johannes, he moves from the parish in Värmland called Stora Kil! In daily talk that would have been Kihl as well. Stora Kil is close to Ullerud. There he is working at a farm called Ekenäs and his name is Johannes Jonsson. (Household census 1851-1855, page 610), in the previous book he is recorded as having arrived from Nedre Ullerud 1852. This is where we run into problems, about 20 % of all men in that parish seem to have a name that could be interpreted as some variation of Johannes Jonsson. One likely candidate is listed as number 8 for 1852 in the moving out records (second part of book BI:1), I think it says he moves to Kihln (probably Stora Kihl) and that he comes from Qvarnt(orp), modern spelling: Kvarntorp. I have not found him in the household census which is a bit messy.
 
To locate the records for his father you would have to know where he lived, the soldiers were, for the most part, kept by a group of farms who provided a cottage and kit for the man. He would most probably had a soldier´s name (surname) and be called Jonas as his first name. IF he was in Nedre Ullerud his regiment may have been Närke, later Värmland and the company Allsters company. The generalmönsterrullor (military records) are avalable in the data base SVAR (www.svar.ra.se). But they are heavy to read! According to the cetral soldier´s register, soldiers called Jonas in Nedre Ullerud (2) lived at Skarsjötorp rote (rote=military area responsible for soldier). Their solder´s name was Skarman or Skans. You can learn more about soldiers at http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/soldiers_research.htm

2008-08-20, 07:31
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In Övre Ullerud parish (annexed parish to Nedre Ullerud) there is a farm called Hagen. In the 183s it is inhabited by a man called Jonas Nilsson and his family which include son Jonas born 12 sept 1828 and son Nils born 4 Nov 1824.
 
Household census (husförhör) AI:9 1829-34, page 143)
 
This is not the right man, the name is common (Jonas instead of Johannes as well) and he seems to have stayed on the farm until the late 1850s at least. Very messy book again.
 
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla den 20 augusti, 2008)
 
(Meddelandet ändrat av izla den 20 augusti, 2008)

2008-08-20, 08:36
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Thanks - I will start reading up on soldiers.
 
Would Lita typically be a short form or nickname (like Stina for Christina)?

2008-08-20, 09:19
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Doesn´t it say Lisa? That is short for Elizabeth.

2008-08-21, 04:41
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Thanks Chris!
 
All those John Johnsons - ay yi yi!
 
Again it is my grandmother's Uncle Karl who indicated the name Lita.  Lisa makes more sense to me.

2008-08-22, 04:57
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In the marriage record for Johannes and Mathilda at 2458.103.98100, it says Ruskällerskau (or something similar) next to Johannes.  Is this a location (farm?) reference?
 
Also, in the right column, is it indicating that the marriage took place in the abbey church (Aby) on November 2?  If so, what does the apparent date on the left 9/28 mean?  Something like a marriage license request?

2008-08-22, 10:42
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It says Mathilda is hushållerska = housekeeper. 9/28 probably date for first banns of marriage, 2 Nov. marriage date and signature of the pastor.

2008-08-23, 04:30
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Thanks Bo.  Now I see that, although it is on the same line, it is not trailing Johannes but rather preceding Mathilda on the next line.

2008-08-25, 08:35
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Chris - thanks for the update from the 20th and finding Hagen farm in Övre Ullerud.  As you say, it is messy, and unfortunately the birth records are missing for 1822-1830.  I have been searching birth records in the 1810's and 1830s for brother Nils and also HFL's on nearby farms for families named Jonsson or Lindblad without success.  I will keep looking.

2008-08-25, 19:29
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Christina Mathilda was born 1822-05-29 Gåsbornshyttan, Gåsborn (S). (GID 490.34.9600)
Her father was Bergsman Paulus Pettersson.
Brattis (före 2004 Linewizard) = Sven-Ove Brattström

2008-08-26, 05:25
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Thank you Sven-Ove.  I had seen the record at 490.34.9600, but wasn't sure if it was the right one or wishful thinking on my part (because the 1822-05-29 birth date doesn't match several references in later years to 1882-05-04 birth date).
 
So I've been trying to trace this Christina Mathilda forward.  Unfortunately, I didn't find anything in the 1820s, but I did at 490.26.63800 (HFL 1831-1835, which seems to indicate birth date 1822-07-28),
490.27.85800 (HFL 1836-1840, which seems to indicate birth date 1822-07-28 and a move to another place in 1840), and 490.29.4700 (HFL 1841-1845, which seems to indicate birth date 1822-07-28, moving back from the other place in 1841, and a move to another place in 1844 that I can not read).
 
It looks like she and sister Maria Josephina moved in 1844 , to me it looks like Philipstad.  Is this an alternative spelling for Filipstad?  I had a quick look and didn't see anything in Filipstad HFL, but perhaps I need to take a closer look.
 
ps - bergsman indicates the father was a miner, correct?  And the mother's name is Britta Stina Jonsdotter Björk?

2008-08-26, 11:47
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1840-1841 = Säfsnäs (W).
1844 Filipstad (S). (Spelled Philipstad).
Her father owned a part of Gåsbornshyttan. Her grandparents on both sides where also Bergsmän, and working with iron. Her mothers brother, Olof, was an inspector at an ironworks. All of them were socialy above middleclass.  
I do belive that it was with help from them, that Johannes Lindblad could become a tenant farmer.
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2008-08-27, 08:33
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Very interesting.  Hopefully I can trace her through Filipstad until she meets Johannes.

2008-08-28, 16:01
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Johannes jonsson Lindblad was recorded in Stora Kil 1852 as born may 4 1829, a date that follows him for the rest of his life. The only birth record with that date in Nedre Ullerud is for the boy Sven Svensson, son of Sven Olsson and Cajsa Nilsdotter. They lived at Risäter, Nedre Ullerud.
Another child was born at Risäter the same year. It was Jonas Jonsson, son of Jonas Jonsson and Anna Nilsdotter. He was born august 31. This family later moved to Qvarntorp. The boy noted as Jonas in the birth record, is always noted in the household census as Johannes - and it was he who moved to Stora Kil in 1852.
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2008-09-01, 09:36
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Thanks Sven-Ove.  I see the birth record for Jonas Jonsson at 509.28.109400.  This family appears in the HFL for 1818-1824 at 509.16.80500, for 1825-1836 at 509.17.111300, and for 1836-1846 at 509.19.32000.  The names are crossed through in the last record, as if they've moved, but I didn't find a record that they moved to Qvarntorp.  I'm not doubting you, but did you note the GID number for their move?  Perhaps I just overlooked it.
 
I would like to think this is the right man.  There are a number of positive indications, but also some contradictions.   He has a brother named Nils (born July 3, 1823), although the town is something other than Risäter (it looks like Mös...?) at 509.28.106900.  My family records indicate that Johannes had a brother named Nils, and 3 or 4 (unidentified) sisters, supposed to have been married in Stockholm, Borgvik, or Falon.  The sisters are supposed to have all lived to around 90 years.  The HFL for the family lists sisters Stina, Catarina, Lisa, and Anna, so this is also supportive, although I haven't had time to trace these sisters forward yet.
 
The HFL only lists the birth year until the one for 1836-1846 (509.19.32000) lists the birth date, although it looks like August 4, 1823 for Nils and April 3, 1829 for Johannes?  Perhaps this family followed a calendar that was not the official church calendar?
 
Also, in 509.19.32000 HFL lists a birth place for Jonas, but I can't read it - it looks like two words - can you help me here?
 
The marriage record (February 1817) for Jonas Jonsson and Anna Nilsdotter is at 509.31.16500 (top of the page).  I can not tell - does it indicate that Jonas is from a farm or village (Västsjö?) in Ovre Ullerud?
 
My family records don't actually say that Johannes' father was Jonas Lindblad, only that his father was Jonas.  I will read some more about searching the military records to see whether I can find Jonas Jonsson of Risäter there.  Perhaps his assigned name in the miltary could have been Lindblad?
 
Johannes Jonsson seems to carry that name until we find him in Karlskoga in 1856 (2458.94.63500), where Jonsson is crossed through and Lindblad is written in.  I had assumed that he changed his name (to match his father's last name) upon his marriage in 1856.  Would this have been customary?  Does the name Lindblad itself indicate anything?

2008-09-01, 14:40
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Hi Charlie !
In household census AI:13, after the move from Risäter, the family is found on GID 509.19.28900.
They lived at Råtorp, Hallanda. It is very near Qvarntorp, Hallanda, only a few hundred meters. When Johannes moved to Stora Kil, the priest wrote from Qvarntorp but Johannes was actually still living at Råtorp.
In earlier household census both places is always called Hallanda.
 
Jonas birthplace is In Loco, Latin for på platsen=at this place. Which not neccecery means at Risäter, it could also be ment that he was born in the parish.
 
Birthplace recorded for Nils is Mosen, now spelled Mossen. I do not know where that was. There is a place called Mosserud, but the family are not to be found there in the records.
 
The dates you ask about, is not from any different calender. It is very common that the wrong date, and even year sometimes, was written in the household census. The main purpose with these books where to keep records over peoples knowledge in religion.
The marridge record states that Jonas Jonsson lived at Wästsjö at the time of the marridge, he was working there.
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2008-09-02, 08:36
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Thanks Sven-Ove!
 
I find Jonas Jonsson and Anna Nilsdotter living in Wästsjö in the HFL for 1811-1817 (p. 344, before their marriage) at 553.7.98300.  It looks like Anna's birthdate is 21 November 1791 and Jonas' birthdate is 8 January 1794.  Now I know not to put too much faith in the dates, but I find the apparent birth record for Anna (21 November 1791 at Bäckelid, Nedre Ullerud) at 509.27.93500, the daughter of Nils Bengtsson and Catharina Andersdotter.
 
The family is found in the HFL (Bäckelid, N. Ullerud) for 1791 - 1801 at 509.9.101200, 1802-1806 at 509.13.12900, 1807-1812 at 509.14.37100 (which notes Anna moving to Wästsjö).
 
Perhaps I have even found Nils birth record at 509.26.77400 (16 February 1755 in Alletorp, son of Bengt _____ and Britta _______)?  And Catharina's birth record at 509.26.78200 (21 September 1757 in Bäckelid, daughter of Anders Larson and Lisa Carlsdotter)?
 
While I see several Jonas born in Nedre Ullerud in 1794, none seems to me like a strong candidate to be the one I am looking for.

2008-09-02, 14:28
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Jonas was born 8 january 1794 at Björketorp, Nyed (S). (GID 516.44.76500)
Brattis (före 2004 Linewizard) = Sven-Ove Brattström

2008-09-03, 05:04
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Thanks Sven-Ove!  I've got Jonas in Nyed, not Nedre Ullerud.  He is an oäkta of Jons Jonsson and ______ ???
 
If you can, please help me to read the record for Nils' birth at 509.26.77400.
 
If I have Catharina's birth record correctly at 509.26.78200, then I believe the family is found in the Household Examination 1759-1767 for Bäckelid in Nedre Ullerud at 509.5.9500, and perhaps (although it doesn't look so much like Lisa Carlsdotter as I thought before) the mother's birth record at 509.25.64700 (right hand page, born on the 17th)?

2008-09-03, 08:30
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I've had a little more time, so I've checked the HFL (1790-94, Nyed) and found Jonas at 516.35.47300.  It looks like the mother is Stina Olsdotter (born 1766 in Ullerud).  She has moved to Björketorp in 1793.  I can read Stina Olsdotter in Jonas' birth record at 516.44.76500, but I can not read the father's name.  It does not look like the Göra Olson from 516.35.47300.
 
Stina and Jonas appear to have moved before the 1795 census, but the moving out records are not online for that year, so I think I will go look back in Ullerud.

2008-09-08, 09:07
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Going back to Mathilda Pauleson in Gåsbornshyttan.  Her parents were Paulus Petterson and Britta Jonsdotter Björk.  Paulus Petterson's parents were Petter Svensson and Stina Paulsdotter.  Can you help me with the cause of death (bröstfeb?) in 1817 (490.36.40900) for Petter Svensson?

2008-09-08, 14:26
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2008-09-30, 09:02
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Please help me with this.  Jonas Jonsson was born 8 january 1794 at Björketorp, Nyed (S). (GID 516.44.76500). Am I reading it correctly that he was an oäkta child of Jons Jonsson and Stina Olsdotter (Hedås, Nedre Ullerud)?
 
But at this time Stina Olsdotter (born 1766 in Ullerud) is living with the family of Göra Olssson (516.35.47300)?  Can you interpret where Stina moved from in 1793?
 
Is there any indication where Jons Jonsson came from or went to?
 
Stina Olsdotter - is it her birth record December 3, 1766 at 509.27.83100 - parents are Olof Göranssons and Malin Svensdotter?).  I can not read a village name, but I do not find the family in the household census in Hedås between 1766 and 1801.
 
During the next census (516.36.80600) the family of Göra Olsson is still in Björketorp, but Stina Olsdotter and her child Jonas Jonsson are gone.
 
The moving records do not appear to be online for these years.

2008-09-30, 15:45
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Charlie!
 
A starter:
 
Birth entry for Jonas is correct (I use ArkivDigital).  
Father Jöns Jönsson from Hedås, Nedre Ullerud.
 
There is no information from where she came . It says Nyed 93 and that is her moving into Nyed. However Stina Olsdotters' birthplace is Sågen = Sawmill and she and her family is at GID 509.5.23100.
 
I'll check some more ...
 
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2008-10-01, 08:53
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Thanks Olle!
 
I see the record at GID 509.5.23100 and it does look like the family of Olof Göranssons at the top of the page.  But it looks like Malin Nilsdotter is the mother (as opposed to what looks like Malin Svensdotter on the birth record for Stina) and the last child listed is son Nils born in 1764?  My image does not have great resolution, so perhaps I am missing Stina.
 
There does seem to be a Jöns Jönssons in Hedås between 1768 and 1774 (509.6.29700) born in Nyed in 1753.  Could this be the right man?

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