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[Veronica Tiliander]

Hej!
Söker efter en Johanna Sofia Andersdotter gift med klockaren Jonas Lind (vet ej var de bägge är födda). De fick sonen August Lundborg (f. 4/1 1858) min mf.mf.f.
Söker också efter min mm.mf.m: Anna Charlotta Andersdotter (f. 16/7 1848 Stora Malm i Södermanlands län eller Dagsberg i Östergötland).
Anna Charlotta var piga vid Stora Djulö, Stora Malm (D) och omkring 1879 vid Beckershof i Östra Vingåker (D). Hon är dotter till Greta Lena Larsdotter (f. 10/5 1826 Stora Malm) men någon uppgift om fadern kan jag inte hitta.
Tacksam för information om båda ovanstående flickor.
 
Mvh, Veronica

[Daraleen Wade]

Olof Olofsson and Anna Månsdotter were married 05 Nov 1753.  Olof was from Låskebol.  Where was  
Anna from?  GID: 2128.87.82600
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Sorry, the above marriage date was 1758.  #14
 
Daraleen

[Bo Johansson]

Daraleen:
 
The date is 5 Nov 1758.
 
Groom: drängen och sonen (farhand and son) i Låskabol, ärlige (honest) Olof Olofsson.
 
Bride: Bryggerskan (brewer) vid (at) N.(?) Jula(?), ärliga piga (honest maid, Anna Månsdotter.
 
There is a Stora Djula in the placename index of the HFL, could that be it?  At least it looks like they employ brewers, but the page is horrible to read (HFL AI:4 1749-1762 page 111 GID 2128.32.36300).
 
// Bo Johansson

[Daraleen Wade]

Thanks Bo,
 
The page certainly is hard to read with so many names on it.  It will take some studying, I'm afraid.  That may not lead me to her parents, either.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Sven was born 29 June 1729 GID: 2128.87.67200.  What is his father's given name and where are they from?
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Sven was born in Västra Kåhlberga., and his parents were Per Bengtsson and Brita Svensdotter.
 
The family moved in 1735/36 to Timmermon, where they lived until 1741.
In 1754 Per and Brita moved to Åtorp together with their daughter Kerstin and her husband Olof Olofsson.

[Daraleen Wade]

Thanks, Camilla,  That is very helpful information.  
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Brita Svensdotter died January 1759 GID:  2128.65.43100.  Does it say where she was born?  I interpret her birthdate to be 28 Nov 1699.  Is that correct?
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Pehr Bengtson died 22 Aug 1760 and was born 1682 GID: 2128.65.43300.  Does it say he died of old age?
 
Pehr and Brita Svensdotter were married in 1715 GID: 2128.85.34300.  Where were they from?
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Carin Nilsdotter was born 3 July 1737 GID: 2128.87.70900. #23   Where?
 
Daraleen

[Bo Johansson]

Brita Svensdotter death:  
 
Placename: Åtorp(?)
Name: wife Brita Svensdotter
Birth: 28 dec 1699
Cause: Håll och styng
Death date: 5 Jan 1759
Burial: 14 Jan (dito)
Age: 59 years 8 days.
 
 
Pehr Bengtson death:
 
Placename: Åtorp(?)
Name: lodger Pehr Bengtson
Birth: 1682
Cause: old age
Death date: 22 Aug 1860
Burial: 7 Sep
Age: 77 years approx.
 
 
Pehr and Brita marriage: pacename very difficult. Forsen/Fårsen or Sör-??? or something...
 
 
Carin Nilsdotter birth:
 
Placename: Biurtorp (Bjurtorp)
 
 
// Bo Johansson

[Camilla Eriksson]

Per Bengtsson and Brita Svensdotter both came from Forssjö.

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Bo and Camilla,
 
Thank you, very much.  I really appreciate your helping me with these place names.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Jan Andersson of Gribåcken married Ingeborg Persdotter on 28 Dec 1718 (#19)  GID: 2128.85.34800    
 
Where was Ingeborg from?
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Jan Andersson came from Gribäcken and Ingeborg Persdotter from Kamhav. She lived there with her parents, see GID 2128.30.1700.
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Thanks, Camilla, that is great!
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Per Jacobsson married Maria Jansdotter 04 May 1740.  Maria was from Gribacken.  Where was Per from?  GID: 2128.87.83700
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Per Jakobsson came from Qwarnstufw., whick today would be spelled Kvarnstugan. You'll find him at GID 2128.31.18600 together with his parents and (probably) maternal grandparents.
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Thanks, Camilla.  I appreciate your help.
 
Per Andersson was born 30 Nov 1744 - where?  GID: 2128.87.73300
 
Is this the marriage of his parents 1743 #2?  GID: 2128.87.84000
 
The place appears to be the same, to me.
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Per Andersson was born in Melån.  
And yes, that is the marriage of his parents, Anders Andersson, then a farmhand in Giresta, Nyköpings Sankt Nicolai, and the daughter Ingrid Persdotter in Melån. Ingrid was quite pregnant when she married, since she gave birth to their daughter Brita in 1743 5/5, three months after the wedding.
 
Ingrid was the daughter of Per Jönsson and Brita Persdotter, and was born at 8 in the morning 1724 21/2 in Bogetorp, Stora Malm.
 
 
I think that I've found Anders Andersson at Giresta, at GID 2572.22.69100, but as you can see it's difficult to read both the title and the surname of this Anders. But it's promising that he moved from Lerbo, since it's the neighbouring parish to Stora Malm.
 
At GID 2128.32.30500, Anders Andersson is said to have been born 1717 2/3. He was not born in Stora Malm. There is a gap in the baptizing book of Lerbo for 1717- 18, and the baptizing records for S:t Nicolai doesn't start until 1725...
 
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
Thank you, so much.  What a lot of information you have given me!   I'll get it entered into my program and probably be back with more questions later today.
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

In the 1718 HFL GID: 2128.30.1200 in Bogetorp, it appears Per Jönsson's father was listed and then crossed out.  Does it say his wife was Karin?    
 
In GID: 2128.86.59900 there is a death for (what I think it says) Karin, the wife of Jons Andersson in Bogetorp.  She is either 84 or 34.
 
In GID: 2128.86.60900 I find the death of Jöns Olafson in Bogetorp on 19 Apr 1719  #35.  Could this be Per's father?
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Yes, Per Jönsson was the son of Jöns and Karin. And in the margin the priest has noted död about Jöns. In case you've missed it, Per's sister Brita was also living with the family.
 
GID 2128.86.59900: den sista Nov. Jöns moder i Bogtorp hustru Karin åld 84.
The year was 1716, and the translation would be: buried November 30th Jöns' mother in Bogetorp, the wife Karin, 84 years old.
 
 
Yes, the Jöns Olofsson that died in 1719 19/4, was Per Jönsson's father. He died from chestpain and headache and was 61 years old.
 
Per Jönsson's mother, Karin Persdotter, died in 1729 8/9. You'll find her at GID 2128.65.37600.
 
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Thank you, Camilla.  I really appreciate your help.
 
Olof Jönsson & Ingrid Johansdotter were married 24 October 1736  GID: 2128.87.83500.  Where were they from?
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Olof Jönsson was a son in Nävertorp, but worked at the time of the marriage at Djula. Ingrid Johansdotter came from Remröd mellangård.
You'll find his family at GID 2128.31.17200. Unfortunately I was unable to locate Remröd mellangård; all I could find was Remröd västergård and östergård. There was a maid Ingrid, but she moved away in 1733.  
 
Since Olof Jönsson and Ingrid Jönsdotter are among my godmother's ancestors, I've spent some time researching this family. They both died in 1777, Ingrid on 22/4 and Olof on 3/7. Ingrid is said in the hfl to have been born 1711 9/8, while the deathbook gives her birthdate as 1711 11/8. Since one of the witnesses at their oldest daughter's baptizing was a Johan Johansson from Björkvik parish and Ingrid wasn't born in Stora Malm, it seemed wise to look for her in Björkvik. And on 1711 9/8 Johan Jonsson and his wife Kerstin Larsdotter had twin girls, Ingrid and Märta, in Bjärktorp! I don't know if the priest has made an error in regards to Kerstin's surname, but when the three eldest kids are born in Bjärktorp, the mother is called Kerstin Andersdotter. I searched the deathbook from 1705 to 1713 without finding anyone at all from Bjärktorp. The parents are probably identical to the couple that married in 1696 28/12 in Björkvik. They then lived in Vedebykvarn, but probably just worked there (the miller in Vedebykvarn between 1685 ca and 1722 was Erik Eriksson, who was married to Gunilla Persdotter -my ancestors were millers there for more than 100 years).
 
 
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
How interesting and what fun!  Once again your help goes beyond belief :-).  Thank you, so much!
 
Daraleen

[Daraleen Wade]

Pehr Persson and Kerstin Ersdotter were living at Brenås in 1811  GID: 2128.46.85100    Kerstin's birthdate is unclear, to me.  Is this her birth on 28 July 1780? GID: 2128.88.91100.
 
Daraleen

[Camilla Eriksson]

Well, actually the couple lived in Bronäs.
And yes, Kerstin Eriksdotter was born in 1780 28/7 in Lövåsen. Her mother was the sister of my fm mf mm m.
 
1 Kerstin Eriksdotter, born 1780 28/3 in Lövåsen, Stora Malm.
 
2 Erik Jonsson, born 1744 24/12 in Lilla Kulltorp, Västra Vingåker, dead 1815 28/1 in Kulltorp, Östra Vingåker, crofter in Lövåsen, Stora Malm and 1815 farmer in Kulltorp, Östra Vingåker. Married 1765 13/10 in Stora Malm to
3 Kerstin Eriksdotter, born 1744 27/12 in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm, dead 1819 14/2 in Kulltorp, Östra Vingåker.
 
4 Jon Gustafsson, born 1701 ca, dead 1790 27/7 in Lövåsen, Stora Malm, crofter in Lövåsen, Stora Malm. Married 1744 at Quinquagesima -that's 29/1 - in Västra Vingåker to
5 Anna Eriksdotter, born 1710 9/4 in Marsjö, Västra Vingåker, dead 1788 8/5 in Lövåsen, Stora Malm.
Both came from Lilla Kulltorp at the time of the marriage. Jon Gustafsson was a widower and Anna Eriksdotter was a widow.
 
6 Erik Persson, born 1719 10/1 in Botorp, Östra Vingåker, dead 1759 29/5 in Pålstorp, Stora Malm. At the time of the wedding he was a farmhand at Strångholm, was the son-in-law at Bjurstorp between 1741 and 1748 and from 1748 crofter in Pålstorp, all in Stora Malm. Married 1741 11/10 in Stora Malm to
7 Maria Eriksdotter, born at dinner time 1721 22/9 in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm, [color=119911]dead 1788 22/6 in Malinboda, Stora Malm[/color].
 
10 Erik Olsson, farmer in Marsjö, Västra Vingåker. Married 1697 S:t Andreae day - that's 30/11 - in Västra Vingåker to
11 Ingrid
 
12 Per Andersson, crofter in Botorp, Östra Vingåker, [color=119911]born 1674 ca, dead 1748 7/8 in Botorp, Östra Vingåker[/color]. Married 1705 5/11 in Östra Vingåker to
13 Anna Andersdotter, [color=119911]born 1683 ca, dead 1757 20/6 in Botorp, Östra Vingåker[/color].
14 Erik Larsson, born 1681 24/3, dead 1747 27/2 in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm, farmer in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm. Married 1712 5/10 in Stora Malm to
15 Anna Olofsdotter, born 1693 14/4, dead 1766 13/1 in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm.
 
30 Olof Persson, born 1652, dead 1724 2/3 in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm, farmer in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm. Married to
31 Anna Jonsdotter, born 1666, dead 1744 29/2 in Bjurstorp, Stora Malm.
 
 
I don't know if Lilla Kulltorp in Västra Vingåker and Kulltorp in Östra Vingåker are two different places (which is most likely), or if the border between the parishes changed and Kulltorp ended up in Östra Vingåker.  
 
 
 
En del data om personerna, markerat med grön text, lades till 28 april 2010. Ett felaktigt årtal korrigerades 21 maj 2014
Camilla

[Daraleen Wade]

Hi Camilla,
 
Thank you for this new and corrected information.  You've been very helpful!
 
Daraleen